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Post by iolar on Jun 15, 2024 10:55:54 GMT 1
The most nutricious compost of all is human waste . The Chinese and Japanese always spread 'night soil' on the soil. The insanity of flushing toilets with all the huge expense of laying pipes - that break, sewage plants, polluting rivers and the sea, instead of collecting,composting, including all kitchen waste and then steaming it to kill all bacteria etc. Creating excellent soil conditioner. Of course vested interests do not want that to happen. Curtis split open the pods and use it. I knew a clever man in the UK who collected all the aluminium cans, indeed any aluminium which he then compressed when he had enough he sold it, a nice little earner. I agree that using purified water for flushing is daft but then not evrrybody has a garden or composter to get rid of the human waste That's why it has to be a communal operation which also makes it efficient and cost effective. Using something like 10 gallon plastic containers with snap top lids, put outside and collected not unlike refuse collection. Building efficient plants to handle and sterilise the finished compost. Far cheaper in every way, not least environmemtally.
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Post by Polarengineer on Jun 15, 2024 11:23:52 GMT 1
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Post by Nifty on Jun 15, 2024 11:44:02 GMT 1
That last link makes me think that somebody should notify the authorities that dozens of people seem to be flouting the law when toilets are locked up at roadside service areas.
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Post by iolar on Jun 15, 2024 14:24:08 GMT 1
Human waste for mucking the garden? Perhaps earlier, before so many of the civlised population started using drugs (including contraceptives) I remember the problems that were produced by the dredging of the gunge out the Rotterdan harbour jonks ago, when they used it as fertiliser for pastures where milk cows were kept. The only compost we use is leaves and pot ash from our wood burner then once every 4 years ( in cycle) sheep muck .No human waste for us thanks !! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Just where do you think all that contaminated gunge came from in the Maas - Switzerland and Germany dumped in the Rhine and other rivers by chemical companies and travelled all the way into the Netherlands. Where was the control by the EU - nowhere, then and now. In the same vein - a new village was created in the Netherlands and the doctors noted that there were lots of people suffering the effects of various poisons. The soil was tested and that was when they found that this new village has been built on top of an old chemical plant. The Dutch being the Dutch then surveyed the whole of the Netherlands and found hundreds of locations with identical problems. The government than asked the population were they prepared to pay to have all these locations cleaned up - the answer was yes and they were. I don't think the answer would be the same in the UK. You do know that estrogen and cocaine etc. are found in all water samples in the UK and France along with 'forever chemicals'. There is a programme on I think You Tube about Dupont and TEFLON. Developed in the 1970s. Dupont knew all about this material and how it is found in water samples in both the Poles ie. it's endemic across the planet. By communities taking control of not only human waste but animal waste from the horrific conditions of industrial farming of, chicken, turkey,pig, veal then rivers,lakes, seas could become clean once again along with the excess levels of nitrogen on farmland dealt with. Of course this means many forms of big business take a hit. Tobacco - all forms of nicotine should have been made a class A drug long ago and with all the other class A drugs ruthlessly terminated. Notice how the legalised drug barons demanded long ago that alcohol should be separated from other narcotics and yet it is the biggest killer across the planet. It's always 'alcohol and drugs'.
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Post by cernunnos on Jun 15, 2024 14:44:01 GMT 1
It came from the toilets in Isselmonde,Charlois ,Delfshaven and schiedam , not from the river.I was talking about human waste with human antibiotics and estrogen. That was a few years back , and that is why I wouldn't use human waste to grow vegetables.No one should.
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Post by exile on Jun 15, 2024 17:52:47 GMT 1
Human waste for mucking the garden? Perhaps earlier, before so many of the civlised population started using drugs (including contraceptives) I remember the problems that were produced by the dredging of the gunge out the Rotterdan harbour jonks ago, when they used it as fertiliser for pastures where milk cows were kept. The only compost we use is leaves and pot ash from our wood burner then once every 4 years ( in cycle) sheep muck .No human waste for us thanks !! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Just where do you think all that contaminated gunge came from in the Maas - Switzerland and Germany dumped in the Rhine and other rivers by chemical companies and travelled all the way into the Netherlands. Where was the control by the EU - nowhere, then and now. In the same vein - a new village was created in the Netherlands and the doctors noted that there were lots of people suffering the effects of various poisons. The soil was tested and that was when they found that this new village has been built on top of an old chemical plant. The Dutch being the Dutch then surveyed the whole of the Netherlands and found hundreds of locations with identical problems. The government than asked the population were they prepared to pay to have all these locations cleaned up - the answer was yes and they were. I don't think the answer would be the same in the UK. You do know that estrogen and cocaine etc. are found in all water samples in the UK and France along with 'forever chemicals'. There is a programme on I think You Tube about Dupont and TEFLON. Developed in the 1970s. Dupont knew all about this material and how it is found in water samples in both the Poles ie. it's endemic across the planet. By communities taking control of not only human waste but animal waste from the horrific conditions of industrial farming of, chicken, turkey,pig, veal then rivers,lakes, seas could become clean once again along with the excess levels of nitrogen on farmland dealt with. Of course this means many forms of big business take a hit.
Tobacco - all forms of nicotine should have been made a class A drug long ago and with all the other class A drugs ruthlessly terminated. Notice how the legalised drug barons demanded long ago that alcohol should be separated from other narcotics and yet it is the biggest killer across the planet. It's always 'alcohol and drugs'. So if I understand correctly, communities should collect the human waste and treat it - we could perhaps call these sewage works. Then you are going to add the animal waste - not really sure how since farms tend to be a long way from many communities. Leaving that aside, the combined and treated waste is then going to be spread on the land to improve fertility. And now it rains - and you know what? All the nitrogen in that treated waste washes out into the rivers and you are back to where we are now.
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Post by iolar on Jun 16, 2024 9:20:33 GMT 1
If you had read my post and what I said you wouldn't have made the comment about 'sewage works'. Sewage plants 'treat' waste they do not compost it. The nitrogen that enters rivers/lakes and the sea - Normandy/Brittany is run off from farmland - that nitrogen is fertiliser applied by farmers, produced by big Agribusiness that tells politicians what they want and don't want. The Netherlands is drowning in animal waste and they are ranting at their government because it wants to cut down the huge number pigs and cows that are raised in that country. A long time ago now a bunch of Dutch hippies bought a small farm. Next door was an intensive chicken rearing operation. The hippies got for free all the chicken waste from which they got a supply of methane. They used this gas to heat their homesand greenhouses where they grew veg and grass. they then compressed the dry which they burned to produce hot water and the ash was then used as fertiliser on their crops. cernunnos was talking about human waste. I don't know exactly what time he is referring to but when I visited my first Dutch girlfriend in Scheidam I never saw any evidence of human waste in the kanalen. What I do know is that the Rotters boasted (as a joke) that they never took film to be developed, they went out late at night, found a quiet spot and put the film into the water of the Maas and it soon was 'developed' by the chemicals in the river. I had a friend that lived in a very beautiful small village in the province of Brabant. It once was completely surrounded by a river and moat. It had a small beach which was amazing because it was about 40K inland. You could sit on the beach but it was prohibited to enter the water with good reason - because it was totally polluted. Up until the end of WW11 salmon were caught and canned in that village. I remember seeing the colour of the North sea being greeny/blue when I first visited the Netherlands in 73. When I made my last visit there in 1982 it was a filthy grey/brown
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Post by cernunnos on Jun 16, 2024 19:40:27 GMT 1
Cernunnos was talking about human waste. I don't know exactly what time he is referring to but when I visited my first Dutch girlfriend in Scheidam I never saw any evidence of human waste in the kanalen.
Glad to hear that iolar, you were probably interested in " other things"
I am talking about the time of Roel van Duijn and the provos, I knew him when he moved to Veele in Groningen which is not far from where I lived, it was a long time ago but I havn't forgotten the lesson.
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Post by gigi on Jun 16, 2024 21:48:38 GMT 1
My coffee grounds are in Nespresso aluminium pods, so go in the yellow bin. Ours go to the local tip (sorry, local amenity and recycling centre) for recycling - lots of council tips take them in England, maybe more generally in the UK. I find that far less is accepted at our déchetterie, although these days it’s much better organised.
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Post by exile on Jun 17, 2024 8:08:28 GMT 1
If you had read my post and what I said you wouldn't have made the comment about 'sewage works'. Sewage plants 'treat' waste they do not compost it. The nitrogen that enters rivers/lakes and the sea - Normandy/Brittany is run off from farmland - that nitrogen is fertiliser applied by farmers, produced by big Agribusiness that tells politicians what they want and don't want. That depends very much on the sewage works and particularly whether the rain water and waste water are separated at source. In our commune they are separated.
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Post by iolar on Jun 17, 2024 8:51:33 GMT 1
Cernunnos was talking about human waste. I don't know exactly what time he is referring to but when I visited my first Dutch girlfriend in Scheidam I never saw any evidence of human waste in the kanalen. Glad to hear that iolar, you were probably interested in " other things" I am talking about the time of Roel van Duijn and the provos, I knew him when he moved to Veele in Groningen which is not far from where I lived, it was a long time ago but I havn't forgotten the lesson. The Provos - like a lot of other things never mentioned in the UK press in the 60s'. I had a friend Jon, more like a brother than a friend he was a leading Provo in Rotterdam. All the ideas they promoted were decades ahead of anywhere. Sadly buitenlanders talk about 'Holland' and Amsterdam (A'dam). Holland is only one province of the Netherlands and A'dam is nothing like other Dutch cities. Before the Provos, again buitenlanders don't know how rigid Dutch society was. Protestants and Catholics wouldn't do business with each other, it was a totally sectarian society - the North mainly Protestant and the south mainly Catholic. My friend living in the little Catholic village in Brabant woken up one Sunday morning with a Protestant farmer pointing a double barrelled shotgun in his face "don't come near my daughter again you Catholic klootzak" circa 1979. The kraakers movement came about because of the Provos. The free concerts paid for by the gemeentes. If I had known what was happening in the Netherlands in the 60s' I would gone there and experienced the 'magic' of the Vondelpaark then, rather than the early 70s'. Like the northern Irishman Daniel Boone I need 'elbow room' and there is none in the Netherlands - housen,housen, mensen, mensen. Spain and France have the space I need to breathe. I never got to visit Groningen but had a girlfriend from there. If you like tall blonde,blue eyed girls that's the place to go to.
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