Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Aug 12, 2021 20:29:18 GMT 1
Because France is different.
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ibis
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Post by ibis on Aug 12, 2021 20:34:03 GMT 1
You all (oldes) would cr*p themselves to see what I have driven there on France roads; ie. taped or plastic tied together 50cc scooters, separate gas tanks as the one on it was rusted beyond belief, different carbs to make it go 75kph or even boring out the exhaust for a few more KPH - all insured but not fit to go more than 10 miles.. Even blown thru a couple rond points check points. Guess the flic were looking for cell phone usage or CT stickers...
Since I have my license now ( wife made me get it) I am your "what did dominic call it - standard motorcyclists" but if i want to put a new air filter or different jet in the carb for fuel usage gain or speed, will that make it illegal or not pass the ct? Different mirrors than stock? Wider back tire? The list can go on and on but does not effect HP.
Do they have to be "stock", ie. the same as the manufacture sells you?
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curtis
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Post by curtis on Aug 12, 2021 22:18:28 GMT 1
If it is of interest regarding the CT I will recount this. The latest car I bought was as far from the original as you could imagine. Insuance was sorted, they had seen an expertise. I went to our local CT man (a classic car enthusiast) and showed him pictures of the car, especially the underneath where the suspension was completely different. His comment was that he would check the car and ensure all that was there worked correctly and that was that.
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ibis
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Post by ibis on Aug 12, 2021 22:38:33 GMT 1
If it is of interest regarding the CT I will recount this. The latest car I bought was as far from the original as you could imagine. Insuance was sorted, they had seen an expertise. I went to our local CT man (a classic car enthusiast) and showed him pictures of the car, especially the underneath where the suspension was completely different. His comment was that he would check the car and ensure all that was there worked correctly and that was that.
What age was the car Curtis? Newish = -20years or a classic +20? I think there is a difference.
You cannot take a new car and put wider tires on the back ( used to be at least 10yrs ago); everything had to be stock or same size, power, etc of what the manufacturer states for the year it was built - does not matter if everything is proper or sound, but how the book says it needs to be and they should test to those figures..
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ibis
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Post by ibis on Aug 12, 2021 23:10:09 GMT 1
I am not saying you are wrong Curtis.
In the US, I did the state inspections at a garage during the spring break, weekends & summer months when I was in school - gave the regulars (Full Time employees) a holiday and earned me 1 USD per - happy days and yes, some modifications should be allowed and I was strict but also took into consideration the workmanship, street worthlessness and person driving the vehicle - if it was in the limits or slightly above I gave them the sticker.. There were no pollution controls back them. I have to ask if my 69 pickup is still grandfathered claused for emissions and at what level it tests - it is loud. Could be a cost when I put it on the road.
I have always been told that (any)modifications from stock are a no no here in Europe.
How many autos in France do you see cruising the boulevard (champs d Elise) that jump up and down on their air shocks? Not many latinos in France but I do not think it is allowed on the streets - only shows or competitions... Many in America sadly.. poor car..
Another example would be semi-monster trucks (wanna bees). Do you see them often? Normal pickup trucks with oversized tyres ( for you vic) driving around on French roads?
Minor modifications might be allowed thru a CT center but as it always seems to be a point on english forums - if that modification in the event of a death or injury your insurance would be cancelled and you are at fault as the vehicle has been modified.
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Post by Dominic Best on Aug 13, 2021 7:20:08 GMT 1
I have always been told that (any)modifications from stock are a no no here in Europe.
There are huge variations between the individual countries. In Germany there is no limit on modifications as long as the remplacement components themselves are TüV tested and any tyres changed are on the approved lists. In the U.K. it was always much easier to register an£ own modified vehicles and grey imports whereas France has far less leeway.
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curtis
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Post by curtis on Aug 13, 2021 8:25:08 GMT 1
Car is 1966 on CGN. I work on the basis that I have a CT and the insurance company know the car. They specialize in cars similar to mine. So everyone is aware. Of course it might fall down somewhere else? i don't know.
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Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Aug 13, 2021 10:09:28 GMT 1
I am not saying you are wrong Curtis.................................How many autos in France do you see cruising the boulevard (champs d Elise) that jump up and down on their air shocks? Not many latinos in France but I do not think it is allowed on the streets - only shows or competitions... Many in America sadly.. poor car..
Another example would be semi-monster trucks (wanna bees). Do you see them often? Normal pickup trucks with oversized tyres ( for you vic) driving around on French roads?
Minor modifications might be allowed thru a CT center but as it always seems to be a point on english forums - if that modification in the event of a death or injury your insurance would be cancelled and you are at fault as the vehicle has been modified.
My experience is well out of date since I was last building custom cars (in UK) but as Dominic says, it was very easy to make major modifications. I shoehorned a Rover V8 into a Mazda B1800 pickup and altered the bodywork, wheels, tyres, and suspension. Also fitted a Chrysler v8 into a Bedford CF van, etc. etc. Getting them through MOT tests was never an issue as long as everything worked properly. The only hiccup was if an insurance company wanted proof that the mods were sound and they would ask for an engineer's report. That was never a problem. At international meets I saw some pretty radical machines from Sweden for instance and the owners told me that periodically they had to be returned to largely stock condition to pass an inspection. Once passed they would refit all the custom stuff. (There's dedication!). Some of the French ones were very nice indeed but I didn't see any engine swaps or suspension mods at the time. This must have changed because I saw recently there were some radical hot rods that had been imported from the states being sold down south somewhere by a dealer who said French registration would be included in the deal. See the FSRA website for a taste of French street rodding. So there is hope for those who don't want to drive a computerised grey clone that looks like it has already been in a crusher.
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