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Post by tim17 on Sept 6, 2021 10:42:36 GMT 1
These posts are becoming totally unacceptable, even more so with the suggestions of unethical conduct on our part or loopholes in straightforward legislation. Our situation is as it is which makes us UK tax resident. We have proven that we will not be a burden on France and so have a CDS. We comply with the residency permit requirements. We deal with the tax authority international office rather than filling in a local tax form. We pay our fair share of tax where it is due. I go back to the UK as and when I chose. How dare you suggest where we should live.Would you be willing to confirm when you applied for your CdS's please Grumps, I'm not out to have an argument just have a personal interest in your answer. If you'd prefer to discuss this via pm's that's fine. |
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Post by crabtree on Sept 6, 2021 11:46:18 GMT 1
Thank you - I was getting a little embarrassed because I felt I/we had to respond - goodness she could have charged a fortune  DB - I did not have to make a tax return in 2020 - I was resident in the UK. If you read carefully then it was agreed by the french tax international office this year. MT - its my OH who is the tax expert. It is me who knows about Fourier Transforms and from your response it would indeed have been a nightmare. If you are/were a UK resident, then how do you have a CDS, unless you made a false declaration, which means you will have committed fraud. |
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Post by hal on Sept 6, 2021 12:31:13 GMT 1
We actually need to be in the UK for more than 90 days each year because Grumpyish's brother is dying and my parents are very elderly and my mother is seriously ill. But you all go and knock yourselves out with your conspiracy theories.... I now know why I detest anglophone forums full of Brit expats, all congratulating each other on how well they are integrated into French life...but Mr Grumpyish seems to like it so each to their own... Mrs Grumpyish Until this, I really did not give a jot about your situation. In fact saw it all as a bit of a laff - yet another ex-pat telling jonny foreigner where to sling their hook.  Taxation is a legal entity that does not bow to family circumstances generally. Please forgive me in caring even less about you having to be near dying family with your self professed high and mighty professional status in favour of the many poorer folk trying to pay their way here who could not get back to family funerals during the stringent covid conditions.  As to the ex-pats bit, if this thread has anything to go by, everyone to a person except you seems quite happy to pay taxes requested and due by the country they choose to live in. So again, forgive me in begrudging your man liking any service this country provides to you that I have to pay for.  |
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Post by FFS on Sept 6, 2021 16:26:10 GMT 1
Certain complaints have been made about certain posts on this thread. Those complaints have been noted and the contents of the various posts have been considered in depth; as far as I am concerned, nothing has been posted which merits legal action being taken by any party.
There are also posts which support and acknowledge the positions of Mr and Mrs G, those posts making it clear that they are not intended to offend or upset.
For the moment, this thread will remain open and available for replies.
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Post by houpla on Sept 6, 2021 18:06:20 GMT 1
Anyone who lives in a country and does not pay tax in that country is a burden on that country. End of. Nb. Except of course those who receive government related pensions who are unable to pay tax outside of the UK. That is most certainly not true! If healthcare costs are reimbursed by UK and taxe foncière is paid, then, on balance, the fact that income received is spent in France negates any 'burden' placed on the French state. To be really picky, you could also claim that the tax element on fuel, as well as toll charges, contribute in no small measure to the upkeep of French roads |
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Post by manonthemoon2 on Sept 6, 2021 20:13:28 GMT 1
If you are/were a UK resident, then how do you have a CDS, unless you made a false declaration, which means you will have committed fraud. The way to get a CDS without being a permanent resident is to start up as an auto entrepreneur with a business. You pay tax here,eg summer rentals but are still able to be resident in UK paying tax there for self employed. I know this has been done, friend of a friend. |
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Post by crabtree on Sept 6, 2021 20:24:33 GMT 1
If you are/were a UK resident, then how do you have a CDS, unless you made a false declaration, which means you will have committed fraud. The way to get a CDS without being a permanent resident is to start up as an auto entrepreneur with a business. You pay tax here,eg summer rentals but are still able to be resident in UK paying tax there for self employed. I know this has been done, friend of a friend. I do not get it - to be eligible for a WARP CDS (as with all CDSs) you must be a French resident. They actually ask for proof of date installed in France.
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Post by mangetout on Sept 6, 2021 20:38:53 GMT 1
Anyone who lives in a country and does not pay tax in that country is a burden on that country. End of. Nb. Except of course those who receive government related pensions who are unable to pay tax outside of the UK. That is most certainly not true! If healthcare costs are reimbursed by UK and taxe foncière is paid, then, on balance, the fact that income received is spent in France negates any 'burden' placed on the French state. To be really picky, you could also claim that the tax element on fuel, as well as toll charges, contribute in no small measure to the upkeep of French roads You are entitled to your view but I profoundly disagree. Nearly all aspects of life are funded by taxation, especially that levied on income. |
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Post by houpla on Sept 6, 2021 20:42:41 GMT 1
Fairy nuff It's good to be able to disagree in a civilised manner, n'est ce pas? |
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Post by tim17 on Sept 6, 2021 20:52:12 GMT 1
Are we not going round in circles again?
Clearly you can be resident in one country yet tax resident in another according to international law, some may see this as just plain wrong but that doesn't change the fact that's it's legally possible.
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Post by Dominic Best on Sept 6, 2021 21:00:08 GMT 1
But that does not remove the necessity to complete a French tax return showing your Worldwide income.
I am tax resident in France despite paying most of my tax in the U.K. as agreed by the Dual Tax Treaty. I cannot say as a French tax resident, I’m going to pay all my tax here, the choice is not up to me.
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Post by tim17 on Sept 6, 2021 21:27:20 GMT 1
But that does not remove the necessity to complete a French tax return showing your Worldwide income. I am tax resident in France despite paying most of my tax in the U.K. as agreed by the Dual Tax Treaty. I cannot say as a French tax resident, I’m going to pay all my tax here, the choice is not up to me. The point is though the French tax office have agreed that under certain circumstances there is no need to complete an annual tax return here and they have done so based on international tax law and the DTT. That may not seem right to some but it doesn't make it illegal. |
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Post by Dominic Best on Sept 6, 2021 21:30:23 GMT 1
That’s not what they say. They say everyone resident in France has to do so. I put the link up earlier.
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Post by tim17 on Sept 7, 2021 5:56:11 GMT 1
That’s not what they say. They say everyone resident in France has to do so. I put the link up earlier. International law trumps national law so under the DTT Mr and Mrs Grumps are doing nothing wrong, it's that simple. |
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Post by Dominic Best on Sept 7, 2021 7:37:04 GMT 1
You are obviously not understanding my point. You are quoting rules for tax residency when I’m talking about rules for residency. Simple?
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