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Post by graham on Oct 14, 2021 17:21:53 GMT 1
Having been to Spain for the day by train, we were controlled at the station on re-entry to France by a gendarme. Pass sanitaire OK, piece d'identité - showed him my shiny new Titre de Séjour Permanent. "Non monsieur it has to be your passport"
Is he correct? I wasn't going to argue but I was certainly surprised. Does anyone happen to know chapter and verse on this pleae?
Thanks,
Graham
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Post by woolybanana on Oct 14, 2021 17:28:30 GMT 1
Must be passport for coming back into France and I suppose for leaving it. Carte de séjour is for internal use. But when leaving or returning to France you should show both the passport and the C de S so they don't stamp your passport and treat you as a French resident.
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Post by exile on Oct 14, 2021 17:35:59 GMT 1
Your TdS is not a piece d'identite, neither is your driving licence. Go figure but that is how the rules are formulated.
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Post by FFS on Oct 14, 2021 17:39:59 GMT 1
I think it's as simple as the TdS gives you the right to live in France, whereas your passport gives you the right to enter and leave.
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Post by FFS on Oct 14, 2021 17:49:54 GMT 1
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Post by graham on Oct 14, 2021 18:03:24 GMT 1
Thanks for the replies and explanations.
Graham
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Post by beejay on Oct 15, 2021 16:40:51 GMT 1
Must be passport for coming back into France and I suppose for leaving it. Carte de séjour is for internal use. But when leaving or returning to France you should show both the passport and the C de S so they don't stamp your passport and treat you as a French resident.
Passports of EU citizens aren't stamped regardless of country of residency.
However, am I missing something? Why do some people object to 'unnecessary' stamping of a passport?
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Post by crabtree on Oct 15, 2021 16:52:18 GMT 1
Your TdS is not a piece d'identite, neither is your driving licence. Go figure but that is how the rules are formulated. Here is a good explanation of what is and what is not : www.aide-sociale.fr/piece-identite-valable/ |
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Post by FFS on Oct 15, 2021 16:59:23 GMT 1
Must be passport for coming back into France and I suppose for leaving it. Carte de séjour is for internal use. But when leaving or returning to France you should show both the passport and the C de S so they don't stamp your passport and treat you as a French resident.
Passports of EU citizens aren't stamped regardless of country of residency.
However, am I missing something? Why do some people object to 'unnecessary' stamping of a passport?
I imagine there is a slight possibility of an unnecessary stamp being chased up 90 + 1 days later; as the holder of a TdS is entitled to be in France all the time, having the gendarmes turn up at the door to boot you out of the country because you've over-stayed your (irrelevant) 90 days could be a little embarrassing if it happens in front of the neighbours. |
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Post by exile on Oct 15, 2021 17:58:35 GMT 1
Passports of EU citizens aren't stamped regardless of country of residency.
However, am I missing something? Why do some people object to 'unnecessary' stamping of a passport?
I imagine there is a slight possibility of an unnecessary stamp being chased up 90 + 1 days later; as the holder of a TdS is entitled to be in France all the time, having the gendarmes turn up at the door to boot you out of the country because you've over-stayed your (irrelevant) 90 days could be a little embarrassing if it happens in front of the neighbours. I very much doubt that that is the scenario. The check will be made on your next exit from the Schengen area when you next present your passport. |
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Post by Crystal on Oct 15, 2021 18:28:53 GMT 1
I was speaking to a british neighbour recently, who was absolutely adamant that having a TdS meant he retained all his previous european rights. I tried to explain that although he has the right to live in France, he has no more rights in the rest of europe than any other british person...but he wasn't having it!  .....and from reading some posts on other internet places, it would seem he's not the only one! |
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Post by exile on Oct 15, 2021 18:39:35 GMT 1
Yep.
Plenty of sh!t for brains out there and worse, some probably voted for Brexit.
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Post by woolybanana on Oct 15, 2021 19:01:22 GMT 1
I imagine there is a slight possibility of an unnecessary stamp being chased up 90 + 1 days later; as the holder of a TdS is entitled to be in France all the time, having the gendarmes turn up at the door to boot you out of the country because you've over-stayed your (irrelevant) 90 days could be a little embarrassing if it happens in front of the neighbours. I very much doubt that that is the scenario. The check will be made on your next exit from the Schengen area when you next present your passport. Assuming you are stopped for an identity check, your passport could be checked against the database if it has been stamped. This would show when you entered the country, would it not? If you have overstayed then you could be given notice to leave, perhaps immediately. But if you have a CDeS, no problem. If not stamped then you are illegal in the Schengen area and subject to expulsion. With stamp and C de S you are covered. I guess |
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Post by Dominic Best on Oct 15, 2021 20:13:33 GMT 1
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Post by exile on Oct 15, 2021 21:18:36 GMT 1
I very much doubt that that is the scenario. The check will be made on your next exit from the Schengen area when you next present your passport. Assuming you are stopped for an identity check, your passport could be checked against the database if it has been stamped. This would show when you entered the country, would it not? If you have overstayed then you could be given notice to leave, perhaps immediately. But if you have a CDeS, no problem. If not stamped then you are illegal in the Schengen area and subject to expulsion. With stamp and C de S you are covered. I guess I do agree, but out of interest, how many times have you been the victim of a check? For me in 25 years, twice. Once on the German border at the height of the foot and mouth outbreak and once in a random roadside check and once the foreign passport was shown it was not even opened. I still think the Schengen border will be the point at which over-stayers will come acropper. |
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.....and from reading some posts on other internet places, it would seem he's not the only one!
