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Post by cernunnos on Nov 8, 2022 13:13:27 GMT 1
Ours has come down by over 100 Euros to around 600.......Nice Presumably because they have removed the TV licence (Redevance Audiovisuelle)? A letter arrived this morning from the Gouvernement Francais saying how wonderful they were because we don't need to pay the contribution audiovisual or Taxe d'habitation for 2022. We havn't paid either since 2018 !
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Post by woolybanana on Nov 8, 2022 13:20:19 GMT 1
Unfortunately, given the severe endettement of the French State in various forms the other local tax, la Foncière will now rocket. Just see what has happened in Paris.
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Post by cernunnos on Nov 8, 2022 13:52:51 GMT 1
Unfortunately, given the severe endettement of the French State in various forms the other local tax, la Foncière will now rocket. Just see what has happened in Paris. Just a few more years and we won't have to pay that either!
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Post by Aardvark on Nov 8, 2022 18:04:37 GMT 1
You were probably granted a dégrèvement and not an exoneration. Yes, that's what it was. She sent them an email pointing out the fact that nothing has changed since last year, etc. and attached copies of their degrevement decisions for the last 5 years for them to chew on. She gave up on getting out from under the fonciere years ago. This shit is getting very stressful.
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Post by houpla on Nov 8, 2022 18:15:39 GMT 1
Perhaps eventually the Mairie will declare it a danger/public nuisance and solve the problem for her, A? You need to be careful that she doesn't end up with other costs as a result....
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Post by glazedallover on Nov 8, 2022 18:31:57 GMT 1
Presumably because they have removed the TV licence (Redevance Audiovisuelle)? A letter arrived this morning from the Gouvernement Francais saying how wonderful they were because we don't need to pay the contribution audiovisual or Taxe d'habitation for 2022. We havn't paid either since 2018 !
Ditto. Very weird.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 8, 2022 21:34:08 GMT 1
You were probably granted a dégrèvement and not an exoneration. Yes, that's what it was. She sent them an email pointing out the fact that nothing has changed since last year, etc. and attached copies of their degrevement decisions for the last 5 years for them to chew on. She gave up on getting out from under the fonciere years ago. This shit is getting very stressful. The thing with a dégrèvement is it is a one off charge reversal or reduction, in my case it was always done to get rid of me and I had to jump through the same hoops every year, by virtue of it being a one off the person I would deal with the next time would never be swayed by what had happened before, in their eyes it does not establish a precedent, eventually I got to see the chef de la division (the only one working on a Friday afternoon) and she sorted it out permanently for me.
You will either have to accept sending the same letters every year or go in and make a nuisance of yourself each year which may bring a permanent solution.
Actually in your partners case surely you just need to send them an attestation sur honneur each year to say that neither she nor anyone else was living there on the 1st of January and the property was and remains uninhabitable, it's the first one that will do the business but the second might generate a permanent solution.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 8, 2022 21:40:48 GMT 1
Ardvaark, the reason that the bill is raised automatically each time is precsely that they don't know that the property has not miraculously renovated itself.
If they were to stop your bills she might (I'm using this as a hypothetical example) allow someone to live their rent free in exchange for doing the place up and making it habitable, they would never get to know about it.
So I think you will just have to send them an attestation sur honneur each year which should be a lot simpler than the battles you have been fighting.
Often in these cases it's knowing what is acceptable to them, nobody excapt someone who has been in the same situation would be able to tell you and the organisations never think to.
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Post by Le-Dolly on Nov 8, 2022 22:12:07 GMT 1
Ardvaark, pcpa makes a valid point re. the automatic yearly charge. An attestation sur honneur is fine but not necessarily fit for purpose, what you really want is an Attestation de Vacance from the local Mairie. You will have to make an appointment so that their 'inspector' can view the property at the beginning (1st or 2nd) of January for that is the important date. That is then sent to the impôts and then you will be relieved of the charges. But it is a yearly thing.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 9, 2022 0:06:37 GMT 1
Yes you are correct, I had forgotten that, whilst they might accept an attestation sur honneur they definitely will accept the formulaire from the Mairie.
I would imagine with an abandoned property if it is visible from the road then once the Mairie has done the first attestation then a simple phone call would suffice in subsequent years, they will know or can easily verify from the road that the place continues to deteriorate.
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Post by Aardvark on Nov 9, 2022 10:48:52 GMT 1
Many thanks for the info offered above. Making the journey of 500km to attend a RDV and then another 500km return the same day is no longer feasible for us. I did it once, leaving in the dark and arriving back home in the dark was no fun at our age. The autoroute fee and fuel cost makes it a resource sapping endeavour into the bargain. Comparing all that with having to fight the battle by email every year I think I'll pass. At least I now know by pcpa's experience it will be an annual hoop to jump through.
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Post by Aardvark on Nov 9, 2022 10:56:28 GMT 1
Ardvaark, pcpa makes a valid point re. the automatic yearly charge. An attestation sur honneur is fine but not necessarily fit for purpose, what you really want is an Attestation de Vacance from the local Mairie. You will have to make an appointment so that their 'inspector' can view the property at the beginning (1st or 2nd) of January for that is the important date. That is then sent to the impôts and then you will be relieved of the charges. But it is a yearly thing. She tried this approach several years ago. The Mairie was unresponsive even after offering to submit attestations from the neighbours stating that there was nobody living there at any time. Clearly foreigners were of little concern to that particular Mairie. The daughter of a close neighbour works there and she was powerless to influence them in any way. Since she has been unable to sell the property (legal reason) and even offered it gratis to the commune it seems the only way to escape the nightmare is to leave France and leave no forwarding address. Sadly the only place we could go is back to UK and that would be a very bad decision.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 9, 2022 12:35:16 GMT 1
I'm sorry to hear that, I was wondering whether the Maire/Mairie were being deliberately less than helpful in regard to an abandoned property
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Post by houpla on Nov 9, 2022 14:22:02 GMT 1
A change of Maire can make all the difference to a commune. Fingers crossed that he gets booted out at the next municipales
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