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Post by FFS on Nov 12, 2021 20:36:21 GMT 1
Losing your rag is one thing, taking out your frustrations like that on a defenceless animal is something else. Um, I'm in no way defending her behaviour, but I'd dispute the statement that horses are defenceless animals! IIRC, they bite, kick and if all else fails, chuck their rider over the top after every single ***** jump Fair comment, but in this particular situation, as shown on the video, the horse wasn't in a position to bite, kick, or otherwise defend itself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 21:07:38 GMT 1
I suppose that no one here has ever lost their rag. I’ve lost my rag but I’ve never committed a crime because of it.
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Post by Veem on Nov 12, 2021 21:27:56 GMT 1
Um, I'm in no way defending her behaviour, but I'd dispute the statement that horses are defenceless animals! IIRC, they bite, kick and if all else fails, chuck their rider over the top after every single ***** jump Fair comment, but in this particular situation, as shown on the video, the horse wasn't in a position to bite, kick, or otherwise defend itself. Horses generally only kick and bite in certain situations in which they see themselves in danger as prey animals. Even though this is a pony, he still has the weight and strength to out manoeuvre this woman and double barrel her but he doesn't view her as a predator. He didn't because his situation did not make him feel sufficiently threatened in a way that an equine would assess things, which is not as we might. He would not have understood that he was being 'punished' simply for breaking free (probably from the younger girl) to make a beeline for the grass on the verge. I guess the woman's foul temper had been aroused mostly due to the antihunt presence and she took out her temper on the poor pony. I could assume that she has done this in the past, but not enough to make the pony irrevocably dangerous, or he would not have been a safe ride for her daughters anywhere, let alone out hunting. I hope this would not have a long lasting effect on the pony, especially if steps are taken to remove him from her 'care'.
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Post by exile on Nov 12, 2021 21:31:43 GMT 1
Thank you Veem for that view based on knowledge rather than emotion.
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Post by Crystal on Nov 12, 2021 22:14:23 GMT 1
I have owned and trained competition horses for most of my life - and still do.
A good competition horse usually has a huge personality, oozing with attitude - they can be quirky and very 'opinionated' at times and my patience is often tested to the absolute limit…but in 45 years of working with horses, I have never kicked a horse, or punched one in the face…I wouldn't dream of being aggressive towards my horses or show them such disrespect.
I think it is disgusting that this woman, who probably claims to be a horse-lover, could abuse her horse like that, no matter what he had done, or how angry she was…there is no excuse for her behaviour.
As far as the horse is concerned, I don't think that he suffered any great physical pain and was more mentally harmed by the abuse - he looks totally confused about what has just happened and clearly has no idea why he was punished.
However, horses are very forgiving animals - too much so at times - and although the horse will be very wary of that woman in future, he will not associate the abuse with other humans and will continue to trust those who have earned it…as for her, well...she deserves all she gets.
edit - I have just seen Veems post and agree with all she said.
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Post by FFS on Nov 12, 2021 22:32:52 GMT 1
What's the difference between a horse and a pony? I would have said the animal in the video was a horse.
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Post by Crystal on Nov 12, 2021 23:49:55 GMT 1
In simple terms, a pony is a horse measuring up to 148cm to it's wither (the highest part of it's back) - anything bigger than 148cm is a horse. ...but in France they have a 'double poney' category, which can be up to 150cm...and miniature horses, no matter how small are classed as horses! LOL! I would guess the animal in the video is about 14hh (148cm) and if I'm correct, it is a pony...even though I have referred to it as a horse. FFS...I bet you wished now that you never asked! 
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Post by exile on Nov 12, 2021 23:52:48 GMT 1
What's the difference between a horse and a pony? I would have said the animal in the video was a horse. So to simplify a horse is an equine. A pony is five hundred pounds.
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Post by Crystal on Nov 12, 2021 23:58:37 GMT 1
To buy a good pony you'd need more than five hundred pounds. 
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Post by Nifty on Nov 13, 2021 5:50:49 GMT 1
That is a monkey.
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Post by Polarengineer on Nov 13, 2021 7:16:29 GMT 1
I once read that a horse will see an open hand like the claws of a tiger or lion or other predator ready to tear its gut open. This hunt horse (I can't be sure it is a pony as it is difficult to claim it's height as there is nothing to compare it to in the film) has been abused by an open hand and will always shy away from that even if offered a snack from the hand. It will be difficult to reward it for doing good things if it is persuaded that way, hence, I suggest that it's value as a trained horse is over and it would prefer to be out to grass away from the open hands. My own experience with horses and donkeys that have been struck at one time is that they never forget this and show wariness of humans, just watch their eyes as you approach them, you can tell their attitude from that alone.
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Post by Veem on Nov 13, 2021 9:18:30 GMT 1
There is one part of the video where the size of the equine is pretty clear - just after the woman has loaded him into the box. There, when tying him up her comparative height makes it fairly clear. But it matters not whether it's a horse, a pony or a double pony, this should never have happened.
Before moving to France we bought a second horse, who was thought to have endured some trauma in the past, though details were unknown. He was incredibly head-shy and we believe he had perhaps hit his head very hard on a roof/beam in a building or been hit by someone. It didn't stop him being bridled and ridden, though getting a bridle on took time and patience. He could not stand his ears being touched and showed signs of being claustrophobic. He's never fully got over whatever had happened, but we can now touch his head and ears without him reacting violently.
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Post by ajm on Nov 13, 2021 9:33:13 GMT 1
She needs a good kicking!!
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