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Post by rabbit on Nov 19, 2021 10:54:56 GMT 1
An article in the Times today
Wearing a mask is the most effective way in which the public can curb coronavirus cases, a study has found. Global research has found that masks can slash incidences of infection by 53 per cent. The first systematic review of its kind, a meta-analysis published in the BMJ, has found that non-pharmaceutical measures, such as mask-wearing, social distancing and handwashing, are all effective at keeping infection numbers down.
Researchers at Monash University in Australia and the University of Edinburgh found that wearing masks was the most effective of the three and have called for their use alongside vaccines.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 11:02:19 GMT 1
The biggest mistake the UK government made was making mask wearing advisory instead of compulsory
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Post by ibis on Nov 19, 2021 11:14:06 GMT 1
Spain has made it a law from the beginning indoors and even on the street(s) but has relaxed the outdoor portion unless 1,5m cannot be maintained... Seems to be working compared to other countries...
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Post by lurcher on Nov 19, 2021 13:24:27 GMT 1
We are back in UK and we went to a large pub/restaurant to allow our son to meet a few friends. There must have been over one hundred guests and staff mostly sitting at tables but also wandering around from time to time. We were the only people wearing masks while entering and leaving. There was zero evidence of standard precautions from the staff when cleaning tables. The Covid NHS pass was not being checked or even offered by visitors.
I know that other establishments are taking great care but this one was breaking all the rules. Having just returned from France where everyone was being careful, particularly in our restaurants, it came as a shock to see how people are disregarding the guidance in some places in the UK.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Nov 19, 2021 13:54:18 GMT 1
At present, in England at least (Scotland, Wales and NI being a touch more cautious), there is no requirement to follow any guidelines: life is substantially back to normal.
Last month I went to Manchester for the weekend. Went to City home game - absolutely no measures suggested or required. Full stadium. In pub beforehand the crush was unreal. Masses of people everywhere - shops, pubs, transport - not a mask in sight. YET - case rates in England are not rising,in many areas falling. Contrast this with Austria, Germany, France etc.
Now it's quite possible cases in England will explode again but there are clearly other factors at work rather than simplistic reliance on arbitrary measures. Sadly, it is in the nature of a complex and multi-factorial pandemic that simple solutions, just don't exist.
Having said that, if we take clinical outcomes as a criterion rather than case numbers it does seem crystal clear that vaccination is the one guaranteed method of protecting the maximum number of people. To those that reject the vaccine I would say this: you are indirectly responsible for mortality and morbidity on a biblical scale and are guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter. Anti-vaxxers are simply the lowest form of life but at least they are being culled in Darwinian fashion while taking others with them.
Do I feel strongly on this? What do you think!
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Post by FFS on Nov 19, 2021 17:35:24 GMT 1
Do I feel strongly on this? What do you think! Remarkable restraint. |
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Post by pcpa on Nov 19, 2021 18:37:54 GMT 1
We are back in UK and we went to a large pub/restaurant to allow our son to meet a few friends. There must have been over one hundred guests and staff mostly sitting at tables but also wandering around from time to time. We were the only people wearing masks while entering and leaving. There was zero evidence of standard precautions from the staff when cleaning tables. The Covid NHS pass was not being checked or even offered by visitors. I know that other establishments are taking great care but this one was breaking all the rules. No rule breaking from what you described witnessing in the UK, I don't even think that guidance was being ignored, perhaps in the case of table sanitising, maybe others can confirm.
Those that wanted to be vaccinated have and now because of the virtual total freedom from restrictions the virus is spreading immunity at a good pace amongst the anti-vaxxers albeit culling some of them.
Having spent the last few months travelling backwards and forwards every few weeks I understand the shock at seeing such a contrast but how many more years would you be willing to endure restrictions to protect those who choose not to protect themselves?
Myself I simply avoid the situations you describe in either country. The local Japanese buffet restaurant was far worse than you described at the end of the first summer of Covid, tables pushed together so groups of 30 or more could sit together shouting over one another, we sat outside in the conservatory, it was very pleasant but only one other couple chose to do the same, the others wanted promiscuity, same thing was to be seen outside and in all the bars in town, I have not been to any restos or bars since then with the exception of twice in the Dordogne very recently after the season had ended.
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Post by ibis on Nov 19, 2021 18:54:04 GMT 1
No rule breaking from what you described witnessing in the UK, I don't even think that guidance was being ignored, perhaps in the case of table sanitising, maybe others can confirm.
Those that wanted to be vaccinated have and now because of the virtual total freedom from restrictions the virus is spreading immunity at a good pace amongst the anti-vaxxers albeit culling some of them.
Having spent the last few months travelling backwards and forwards every few weeks I understand the shock at seeing such a contrast but how many more years would you be willing to endure restrictions to protect those who choose not to protect themselves?
Myself I simply avoid the situations you describe in either country. The local Japanese buffet restaurant was far worse than you described at the end of the first summer of Covid, tables pushed together so groups of 30 or more could sit together shouting over one another, we sat outside in the conservatory, it was very pleasant but only one other couple chose to do the same, the others wanted promiscuity, same thing was to be seen outside and in all the bars in town, I have not been to any restos or bars since then with the exception of twice in the Dordogne very recently after the season had ended.
Sanitizing the tables after use is in the law books before covid and will be after.. Why would you go to a place that does not do it, before this or after?
Here when restrictions were modified (reduced) it was max 6 people to a table and even now it is 10 people to a table. Plus, no smoking on outside terraces of restos or bars and it will probably be maintained after everyone accepts the fact that this is here to stay.
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Post by Aardvark on Nov 19, 2021 20:03:18 GMT 1
pcpa "Having spent the last few months travelling backwards and forwards every few weeks I understand the shock at seeing such a contrast but how many more years would you be willing to endure restrictions to protect those who choose not to protect themselves?"
I will endure restrictions for as long as it takes...........to protect myself. I don't give a shit about those who choose not to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 20:09:43 GMT 1
Completely with you on that Aardvark I follow the restrictions to protect my friends and family,who themselves follow the restrictions
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