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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 12:41:19 GMT 1
In the beginning travel was not blocked from China where some claim covid started. It took yonks before they stopped people coming and going to India. Is it just down to trade? And if this new variant is so transmissible why no masks in pubs and clubs in the UK.
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Post by exile on Nov 28, 2021 12:47:24 GMT 1
I would like to think that governments are learning the lessons but you may be right and that trade forms a strong part of the decision making process.
Why no masks in pubs and clubs - seems obvious to me. Most of the time you are eating or drinking and that is a real bu@@er wearing a mask. So if the mask is off for much of the time then why try and impose a difficult to police rule?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 14:49:22 GMT 1
I don't get it exile, when I used to be the director of infectious disease in the UK that was before I lost my job over spelling and punctuation we would always analyse every situation and never just make knee jerk reactions.
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Post by exile on Nov 28, 2021 16:21:16 GMT 1
What is kneejerk about a new variant of a known and deadly virus that: 1. Shows a lot of mutations on the spike when the spike is the area of the virus that the vaccine and its generation of antibodies is the point of attack. The potential for antibodies to smother the spike is reduced and the potential for infection is increased. 2. Shows the potential for a transmission rate much greater than the Delta version - which has been bad enough. Wednesday there were about 30 cases worldwide. Yesterday 10 passengers on planes from South Africa had it. A lot will be down to levels of testing and analysis but that suggests that either this variant has been hiding for months and/or it is highly transmissible. 3. Taking the Schiphol example 60 people infected with C19 and 10 of those with omicron. Suggests the new variant is widespread already in S Africa.
The government are on a hiding to nothing here. React too late - as they did with the Delta variant from India - and they are criticised. React early and you say kneejerk reaction.
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Post by plog on Nov 29, 2021 0:36:21 GMT 1
In the beginning travel was not blocked from China where some claim covid started. It took yonks before they stopped people coming and going to India. Is it just down to trade? And if this new variant is so transmissible why no masks in pubs and clubs in the UK. I’m not sure how it’s worked for China but I’m pretty sure the Uk has never specifically banned people coming and going to India…and trade as in goods/cargo certainly still continued. Even during some of the more draconian UK lockdowns international travel was allowed to certain countries for certain family events…however what was done was India was belatedly put on the Red List = managed quarantine, though only allegedly only after thousands of people who had attended weddings in the sub-continent had come home……. Similarly I don’t think the UK has stopped/banned travel to/from Southern Africa, but it has put several nations onto the (resurrected) Red list..
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Post by Aardvark on Nov 29, 2021 10:57:56 GMT 1
I'm wondering if the "so-called" trafic light system actually has any purpose apart from to signal some sort of risk level. If a country is on a red list all holiday/business/family visits should stop completely. I can see freight being the only reasonable exception because medications and related important commondities. The rich with their own aircraft + money/power should be no exception.
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Post by exile on Nov 29, 2021 11:04:29 GMT 1
The point is that you cannot make a country inaccessible.
All direct flights are cancelled. You could also ban all private direct flights - just refuse to approve the flight plan.
So anyone intent on reaching S Africa - and there might be hundreds of thousands of S Africans set on just that - just get a flight from the uK on Emirates to Abu Dhabi and then a flight from there to Jo'burg.
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Post by rabbit on Nov 29, 2021 11:18:34 GMT 1
I am afraid the cat is already out of the bag. The U.K. allowed SA arrivals to use public transport to reach their destinations. At least at Schipol they took them to isolation hotels by ambulance. Nevertheless it is sensible to slow the spread until more is known. If is in Belgium, Germany and Netherlands it is here too. If it is a highly contagious variant that has minor illness effects that will be a benefit. Otherwise we’ll be reliant on the vaccines. The SA dr who alerted said her patients only had mild symptoms, but we don’t know their age or much else about them yet
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Post by exile on Nov 29, 2021 11:26:19 GMT 1
Beware the minor symptoms comment. The doctor said that in the cases she dealt with there were minor symptoms. South Africa has a very large population of younger people - much more biased towards the young than in Europe. We know that all variants so far present minor symptoms in the majority of younger people.
Just a warning and a warning that in the fullness of time may prove to be unwarranted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 11:35:28 GMT 1
I have read elsewhere she had mostly studied young people. Even with a mild illness an older person with co morbidites is going to be more vulnerable
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Post by plog on Nov 29, 2021 11:41:46 GMT 1
The point is that you cannot make a country inaccessible. All direct flights are cancelled. You could also ban all private direct flights - just refuse to approve the flight plan. So anyone intent on reaching S Africa - and there might be hundreds of thousands of S Africans set on just that - just get a flight from the uK on Emirates to Abu Dhabi and then a flight from there to Jo'burg. Absolutely correct… Lots and lots of anecdata/rumours around from earlier this year that a considerable number of people were avoiding entry restrictions to the UK from countries various by transiting through places such as the Gulf or Istanbul… It is, or at least was, easy enough to get away with if they were prepared to put incomplete info on their PLF/lie about travel history to anybody in “Border” who asked..
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