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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 13:45:16 GMT 1
If you don’t know anything about them why comment It’s nothing to do with sycophancy it’s people who know what has gone on Because it not about the recipients it about the stinking system. Handing out baubles to people for doing the jobs for which they've been handsomely paid. They aren't volunteers giving up their free time. There's no bravery in what they've done and if what they've done has made a difference I dread to think what the death toll would be or how many fewer available hospital beds there would be. I'm sorry I don't understand your second point. I'm not sure if you've missed a word or some punctuation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 13:50:34 GMT 1
Perhaps you have missed some letters out
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 13:53:01 GMT 1
My second point was that people praising this award aren’t being sycophantic they are appreciative of people that have tried to help their fellow mankind paid or not
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Post by tim17 on Jan 1, 2022 13:58:13 GMT 1
If you don’t know anything about them why comment It’s nothing to do with sycophancy it’s people who know what has gone on Because it not about the recipients it about the stinking system. Handing out baubles to people for doing the jobs for which they've been handsomely paid. They aren't volunteers giving up their free time. There's no bravery in what they've done and if what they've done has made a difference I dread to think what the death toll would be or how many fewer available hospital beds there would be. I'm sorry I don't understand your second point. I'm not sure if you've missed a word or some punctuation. Every country has an honours system, France dished out over 500 Legion d'honneurs today mainly to those with a public profile, are you saying that's wrong as well?
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Jan 1, 2022 13:58:37 GMT 1
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jan 1, 2022 13:58:37 GMT 1
Do you have to be a brit to get one of these?? If no, seems like a goal for this new year... You have to be a subject or citizen of a Commonwealth nation.
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Post by ibis on Jan 1, 2022 14:01:26 GMT 1
Do you have to be a brit to get one of these?? If no, seems like a goal for this new year... You have to be a subject or citizen of a Commonwealth nation. So a non-citizen UK business owner who makes Britain better is not eligible?
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Jan 1, 2022 14:21:41 GMT 1
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jan 1, 2022 14:21:41 GMT 1
You have to be a subject or citizen of a Commonwealth nation. So a non-citizen UK business owner who makes Britain better is not eligible? Correct. You can get honorary honours; for example, Bob Geldof has an honorary knighthood but isn't Sir Bob cos he's Irish. When Terry Wogan was given his knighthood he became a British subject - that's why he was Sir Terry
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 15:43:39 GMT 1
The French honours system is none of my concern but I doubt I'd approve absolutely. There's always a tendency to reward acolytes.
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Post by traveller on Jan 1, 2022 16:01:10 GMT 1
I’ve just seen something in the news but not read it that Camilla has been upgraded in some way in order to make it easier to be the new queen. I’m totally opposed to the system but if it means something to the recipients to be bowing and scraping or paying to get and award fair enough, I always like JVT he made me laugh in difficult times, so that’s worth recognition of some kind. I think some people feel obliged to accept because they represent an organisation or charity where they are receiving it on other’s behalf but for individuals why bother, I just don’t understand.
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Post by exile on Jan 1, 2022 16:21:20 GMT 1
I've nothing against whitty or van tam. I don't know them and I'm not directly affected by their work. If as suspect you or those close to you are in the UK you are most definitely affected by their work - one might say despite the UK government. Even Nicola Sturgeon pays attention to what they say and I assume the other heads of regional government do the same. They don't necessarily pay attention to BJ which is why the rules in those countries are different - and that if nothing else shows the impact these individuals have had and are having.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 16:31:41 GMT 1
Well said Exile I believe HVM regularly visits the UK so will be directly impacted by their work
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 16:33:35 GMT 1
I’ve just seen something in the news but not read it that Camilla has been upgraded in some way in order to make it easier to be the new queen. I’m totally opposed to the system but if it means something to the recipients to be bowing and scraping or paying to get and award fair enough, I always like JVT he made me laugh in difficult times, so that’s worth recognition of some kind. I think some people feel obliged to accept because they represent an organisation or charity where they are receiving it on other’s behalf but for individuals why bother, I just don’t understand. Bowing and scraping, to me is sycophancy. But it's not about that apparently. That doesn't imply that every recipient is a sycophant. I've known a few obes, recommended by their peers and thoroughly deserving of recognition. My former MP, rejected decisively in a previously safe seat, out of the public eye for several years. Arise Sir Brian. Services to the Labour Party I assume. Mr Whitty is a government adviser recommended for an honour in a field where it, not Mr Whitty, has failed. The government giving itself a pat on the back by proxy. I'm disappointed no one had used the example Tony Blair to defend the honours system. I'm not.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jan 1, 2022 17:10:11 GMT 1
The majority of recipients are people you've never heard of being rdcognised for contributing to the greater good of society. The headline recipients often have a long record of using their position to further other causes - charity work, representing the nation abroad etc.
Then there are the lickspittle toadies who have little inherent worth but are rewarded for furthering something close to government - our local MP falls firmly into this category. It's just a shame that the worthless spoil it for the worthy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 20:03:39 GMT 1
Did Hamilton not get one for driving a car fast. Others just get banned from driving.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 20:15:11 GMT 1
The defence of this will be interesting.
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