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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 17:53:36 GMT 1
According to my new best friends who have bought in France from a really helpful person.
You can bring your own things into France from your principal residence but you cannot use a courior company to bring anything from that property into France as the UK and the EU have not agreed on how it works since Brexit.
They wanted there aga brought over by a small transporter who said it cannot be done just now.
I only have his word on this but he has no reason to make this up.
Anyone else come across this.
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Post by exile on Feb 14, 2022 20:32:56 GMT 1
I think the "It's impossible" statement is wrong although I can understand why a small company would use that term to avoid the complexities involved.
I suspect however that it is impossible to do it without running the risk that there will be major issues with VAT and potentially duty to be paid on importing the goods.
I have recently looked at a not dissimilar situation taking goods the other way (F --> GB) and the difference between taking goods yourself as personal goods and getting someone to convey them on your behalf are very significant - as are the potential charges.
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Post by suein56 on Feb 14, 2022 20:56:12 GMT 1
Exile seems to have nailed the answer.
You only have to be aware of the hoops that incomers to France from other Third World Countries ie the US and Australia have to jump through to bring over their goods and chattels to realise the extent of the dilemma.
Transporting goods from the UK to France à la 'man with a van' of the past has taken a huge hit.
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Post by pcpa on Feb 14, 2022 21:25:59 GMT 1
They wanted there aga brought over by a small transporter who said it cannot be done just now. I only have his word on this but he has no reason to make this up. = "I/we are not doing it right now (and may not ever again).
I am taking goods to France this week for someone else and will be doing the same on my next trip back for their neighbour, I'm not expecting any problems and it's no skin off my nose if the goods are impounded, if you are a business and have taken payment for providing a service being insouciant like that will result in a claim and lots of grief from a client.
If its a whole removal vanload then not such an issue but if you have a mixed load for several customers which is how items like the Aga etc were transported then a paperwork problem with one item will stop the goods for all the customers.
The CERFA forms for déménagement allow for you to have individual items sent using a transporter. The principle is not really any different to sending a parcel.
In practice its items with a significant added value in France or goods that could be for resale that get the scrutiny, if the paperwork is in order there won't be a problem, man and a van does not want the grief and many were not registered, they are not going to risk the consequences now.
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Post by exile on Feb 14, 2022 22:28:43 GMT 1
I think you hit the nail on the head in this case with the term "significant added value" - and I would personally remove the word added. That describes an Aga oven quite well. Without going into the depths of the regulations, the paperwork is the least of the problems. Without a freight forwarder registered in the country of receipt, the transporter becomes liable for all dues at point of import*. Aga stoves seem to vary a lot in price/value depending on fuel, age, condition etc. but having looked through a number of sites, in the extreme the haulage company could have to stump up as much as €2k at point of entry and it is their problem to recover it from the client.
* Registered freight forwarders are held on trust to pay dues retrospectively which mitigates the risks. They also usually have warehousing that means they can hold goods against payment. A small company cannot hold an Aga in the back of a van in another country for very long before feeling the pain.
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Post by pcpa on Feb 15, 2022 0:51:44 GMT 1
I used "added value" incorrectly, what I was trying to express was something that costs a lot more in France than the UK (or wherever else) that might be destined for resale in France or have been ordered by someone.
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Post by exile on Feb 15, 2022 0:57:21 GMT 1
I understood what you were trying to express but the reality is that they charge on value and not some notion of how much profit you might make if you sold on.
I know because from time to time I import model trains from the UK and pay handsomely for the privilege even though there would hardly be any French buyer for models based on the UK and to a scale that French people just don't understand - and to be honest a lot of UK people as well.
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Post by Dominic Best on Feb 15, 2022 10:04:33 GMT 1
Understand scale can be a tricky business. One of my friends who scratch built model trains told me that whatever scale they were was 4mm:foot. In my world that scale doesn’t exist. 🙂
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Post by Polarengineer on Feb 15, 2022 11:15:13 GMT 1
Sell the aga with the house, or sell it and buyer dismantles it.
They are a UK status symbol and as I understand, not too bright for cooking on. Costs. To dismantle and reassemble in France will be high, unless ,Mysty, you sold them a chateau, the usual French houses may not have a kitchen suitable for this lump of iron and the cost of fuel will be high as they do not burn all that efficiently compared to modern range cookers. I would assume they would be in the French countryside where an aga would fail as a status symbol and a dual fuel range would be ideal beacause of the power outages when you would still have a gas range to cook on.
There will be more people in UK who would want such a monster than in France.
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Post by exile on Feb 15, 2022 11:19:51 GMT 1
Dominic
Yes, so many millimetres to represent one foot is a very weird way of expressing scale and so very British. Not sure if the Americans do something similar or just express their scales in the more easily understood 1:87 (3.5mm/ft)or the like.
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Post by pcpa on Feb 15, 2022 11:49:14 GMT 1
It is understandable if the modelling movement started in a country using the Metric system making scale models of locomotives made to imperial dimensions.
They may have had the original drawings with imperial dimensions, if not then taking measurements from something made to round numbers of inches or feet using the same units is much more practical, but when they come to make the model they will be using metric machine tools, measuring instruments and metric dimensioned stock material.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 13:18:03 GMT 1
Sell the aga with the house, or sell it and buyer dismantles it. They are a UK status symbol and as I understand, not too bright for cooking on. Costs. To dismantle and reassemble in France will be high, unless ,Mysty, you sold them a chateau, the usual French houses may not have a kitchen suitable for this lump of iron and the cost of fuel will be high as they do not burn all that efficiently compared to modern range cookers. I would assume they would be in the French countryside where an aga would fail as a status symbol and a dual fuel range would be ideal beacause of the power outages when you would still have a gas range to cook on. There will be more people in UK who would want such a monster than in France. They bought an old hotel from us last March out in the sticks but close to Salers. They brought out the aga in there van and get all the hot water from it and say it will heat up to seventeen rads. Its a big building.    |
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Post by Dominic Best on Feb 15, 2022 14:49:14 GMT 1
It is understandable if the modelling movement started in a country using the Metric system making scale models of locomotives made to imperial dimensions. They may have had the original drawings with imperial dimensions, if not then taking measurements from something made to round numbers of inches or feet using the same units is much more practical, but when they come to make the model they will be using metric machine tools, measuring instruments and metric dimensioned stock material. Believe me it was the first time I’d ever heard that friend or any of his model railway and real railway society friends mention any metric measurement in any context. They were firmly stuck in the past. In my experience scale is more usually expressed as a ratio, 1:x. I’m surprised they use 4mm:foot not 1mm:3” or even better 1:176. |
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Post by Dominic Best on Feb 15, 2022 14:59:50 GMT 1
Sell the aga with the house, or sell it and buyer dismantles it. They are a UK status symbol and as I understand, not too bright for cooking on. Costs. To dismantle and reassemble in France will be high, unless ,Mysty, you sold them a chateau, the usual French houses may not have a kitchen suitable for this lump of iron and the cost of fuel will be high as they do not burn all that efficiently compared to modern range cookers. I would assume they would be in the French countryside where an aga would fail as a status symbol and a dual fuel range would be ideal beacause of the power outages when you would still have a gas range to cook on. There will be more people in UK who would want such a monster than in France. I wouldn’t be without my Aga. There’s plenty of space in the kitchen, it’s amazingly economically to run and brilliant to cook on. I’ve owned it for over 12 years and never had a power outage of more than a few seconds in that time. I wouldn’t want to move it anywhere in a van, it took two days to assemble and weighs about 500kg. The hottest oven and attached hotplate weighs 96kg on its own.  |
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Post by Aardvark on Feb 15, 2022 15:29:49 GMT 1
Friends bought a large Manor (can't spell it in French) that had a huge kitchen. They bought a secondhand extended Aga from a service agent down south somewhere to include delivery to Brittany. He was more than disappointed to find that not only did the delivery not include transport into the kitchen, but it was pretty much down to all its individual pieces. It took two of us two days to drag the parts indoors and figure it out. In their case it certainly was just for effect. They hardly ever used it but it was a good selling point when the English punters came to view the property.
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