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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 13:27:23 GMT 1
www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/france-to-suspend-short-haul-flights-from-april/" In April 2021, members of the French parliament voted to suspend short domestic flights if the journey could be completed by train within an hour and a half or less to reduce carbon emissions."My question is, who on earth would won't to fly if it was possible to complete the journey in under 90 minutes by train?
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Post by ibis on Mar 24, 2022 13:46:23 GMT 1
Maybe the commute is easier from the airport.
Air miles add up to be used at a later date.
Trains are very expensive in France.
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Post by exile on Mar 24, 2022 15:12:48 GMT 1
www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/france-to-suspend-short-haul-flights-from-april/" In April 2021, members of the French parliament voted to suspend short domestic flights if the journey could be completed by train within an hour and a half or less to reduce carbon emissions."My question is, who on earth would won't to fly if it was possible to complete the journey in under 90 minutes by train? Someone who arrives at a major French airport on a long haul journey but needs to get to another city. So for example someone who arrives at CDG from New York but is actually travelling to Bordeaux. If AF don't offer the connection then BA will via Heathrow, Lufthansa will via Frankfurt, Iberia will via Madrid etc. |
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Post by ajm on Mar 24, 2022 21:10:18 GMT 1
In case anybody hasn't noticed we are now in 2022.
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Post by exile on Mar 24, 2022 21:37:42 GMT 1
Yup
and you have now been told why the flights persist.
A while ago ( 2008 - 2011) I used to regularly (35 - 40 weekends per year) fly from Germany to Lyon. My choice of airlines was AF or Lufthansa ( no cheapies flying on that route then). My choice was generally selected on suitable timings and seat availability since the prices were very similar. Lufthansa was direct. AF was sometimes direct and sometimes via CDG. The second leg CDG to Lyon was frequently by TGV rather than plane even back then. Although the TGV usually brought me to the centre of Lyon (Part Dieu)rather than the airport (St Exupery) it never seemed to be as convenient as flying that second leg due to the lack of a "proper" connection.
A plane to plane connection was tightly timed but a plane to train connection always had a healthy leeway. The reasons for that are many but will include
a slick transfer of hold baggage plane to plane as opposed to a slower personal pick up at CDG and them lugging it to the TGV station
a delayed inbound flight will result in the connecting flight being held for a bit, or automatic transfer onto the next flight whereas it becomes more complicated if a passenger cannot make the TGV with AF then having to negotiate with SNCF.
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Post by ibis on Mar 24, 2022 21:38:36 GMT 1
In case anybody hasn't noticed we are now in 2022. It has taken that long to implement it.. Viva la France... |
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Post by landmannnn on Mar 25, 2022 0:12:42 GMT 1
A bit off topic, but I often went to London from Birmingham by plane.
Main reason it was £30 cheaper.
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Post by plog on Mar 25, 2022 8:40:55 GMT 1
www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/france-to-suspend-short-haul-flights-from-april/" In April 2021, members of the French parliament voted to suspend short domestic flights if the journey could be completed by train within an hour and a half or less to reduce carbon emissions."My question is, who on earth would won't to fly if it was possible to complete the journey in under 90 minutes by train? Someone who arrives at a major French airport on a long haul journey but needs to get to another city. So for example someone who arrives at CDG from New York but is actually travelling to Bordeaux. If AF don't offer the connection then BA will via Heathrow, Lufthansa will via Frankfurt, Iberia will via Madrid etc. Yep, and add KLM/AF via Amsterdam….maybe that’s how AF will mitigate this but it’s not great for the Paris airports themselves. The ability to connect short haul>long haul or vice versa is a big selling point for the networked airlines. |
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Post by jackie on Mar 25, 2022 12:22:22 GMT 1
Maybe the commute is easier from the airport. Air miles add up to be used at a later date. Trains are very expensive in France. Funnily enough was talking to friend recently about train fares in France as he has started using them to get to his place in Brittany and finds them very good value especially at the moment with fuel prices being so high. He books via trainline. There’s no fluid pricing issues either so prices stay the same regardless of school hols how close to travel you book etc. We are looking at going back to uk by train via Eurostar and was quite impressed with the prices quoted. We’re fortunate enough to live not far from the recently updated TGV line to Paris which has reduced the journey time... |
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Post by ibis on Mar 25, 2022 17:27:38 GMT 1
2 reasons for going by aeroplane would be the security is better at and around an airport and covid restrictions are tighter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 20:33:52 GMT 1
In case anybody hasn't noticed we are now in 2022. It was agreed in April 21. It's being implemented in April 22. I'm sorry I didn't explain it clearly enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 20:40:55 GMT 1
2 reasons for going by aeroplane would be the security is better at and around an airport and covid restrictions are tighter. I'm sure there's a reason this image popped in to my mind but I buggered if I know why.  |
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Post by pcpa on Mar 25, 2022 20:58:48 GMT 1
In case anybody hasn't noticed we are now in 2022. It was agreed in April 21. It's being implemented in April 22. I'm sorry I didn't explain it clearly enough. Only one day, boy that was quick! |
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Post by ibis on Mar 25, 2022 21:42:15 GMT 1
Wow. Just Wow..
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Post by plog on Mar 25, 2022 22:35:01 GMT 1
There's quite possibly a bit more to this than meets the eye. For some reason something has been niggling me about the headline throughout the day and belatedly I remembered that when the idea was first proposed in '21 using short domestic flights for connecting purposes was going to continue to be allowed be allowed. I then looked back at the original April 21 Schengenvisa article and it did actually state "connecting flights will not be affected by any of these changes, so international travellers do not have to worry about navigating the train system." According to the same article the initial proposal was a ban on four routes of Paris- Orly and also a ban on flights Lyon-Marseille....that was it. Original Schengenvisa Article FWIW looking at the AF website at the moment it's certainly still possible to book short haul Bordeaux - Paris CDG in May, either as a terminator in Paris or to connect with Long Haul, e.g. to the States.. So unless the legislation has very much changed from the initial proposals it does not look like a total suspension of Short Haul flights within France from April. |
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