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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 18:15:01 GMT 1
I noticed brico depot had sacs of pellets for sale at 5 euro something yesterday, I thought they were just 2 euro something a sac the last time I looked.
We still have a stack of firewood from trees that got cut down years ago with electric central heating as a back up.
What are you using just now, its going to be a cold weekend.
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Post by woolybanana on Mar 31, 2022 18:26:44 GMT 1
Double sox, double pullovers, double thickness shoe soles, rug on knees (doubled), and gas heating turned up to 19 degrees. Plus dog doubled over my knees.
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Post by Polarengineer on Mar 31, 2022 18:59:41 GMT 1
Quite right Woolyb. Avoid the wrong clothing, but 19°C is a bit much. We are on wood only and 14 to 15°C is comfortable enough for us and the cats. I have shut off the electric water heater completely and rely on the back boiler stove and solar water panels when the sun is out.. I now have the electric bill down to a 5th of what we normally use in winter.
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Post by pcpa on Mar 31, 2022 21:47:48 GMT 1
What are you using just now 11kg bottles of Leclerc propane gas at €29.99 per refill or €25 if you buy a new cylinder with the extra €5 consignment charge and a €10 remise. They havn't thought that one through properly have they!!! I already have a big collection of bottles & if this cold spell remains I will have even more, next winter I can cash them in and have enough for another couple of refills, the price must be gouvernement controlled as it hasn't risen during the Ukraine crisis. |
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Post by exile on Mar 31, 2022 23:23:38 GMT 1
Well I use smaller bottles - to fit under the sink - and I can assure you that they have risen in the last month and indeed in the 8 months before.
€18.90 May 2021
€23.15 July and Sept 2021
€23.6 November
€24.5 January
€25.9 March
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Post by Aardvark on Apr 1, 2022 10:13:25 GMT 1
I have about a week's worth of wood left. Half a dozen logs left over from our summer purchase and the rest is some semi rotten stuff from a long dead elm I cut down a while ago. We have a few pallets as backup that I grabbed from the skip at Brico D.
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Post by jackie on Apr 1, 2022 10:38:04 GMT 1
Sacks of pellets have been anywhere between 4 and 5 euros all winter in the supermarkets. Now around the €5.50 mark in our local SuperU.
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Post by exile on Apr 1, 2022 11:40:40 GMT 1
Our wood stock is all but exhausted so I am using a lot of compressed wood buches.
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Post by Aardvark on Apr 1, 2022 17:31:08 GMT 1
I tried some years ago. They were hard to light and all they did was sort of smoulder without much flame. Not impressed.
Strangely that house wasn't nearly as cold as my current meat locker. It had one large South-facing window that provided free heat when the sun blessed us with an appearance. Current place has two smaller windows facing East so not much use at all.
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Post by jackie on Apr 1, 2022 18:27:14 GMT 1
I tried some years ago. They were hard to light and all they did was sort of smoulder without much flame. Not impressed. Strangely that house wasn't nearly as cold as my current meat locker. It had one large South-facing window that provided free heat when the sun blessed us with an appearance. Current place has two smaller windows facing East so much much use at all. We used to use them to eke out our wood supply. They throw out a lot of heat (I believe they have a higher calorific value than wood or something like that) and are good for getting the fire going if you slice them into rounds. Not so aesthetically pleasing as wood though |
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Post by exile on Apr 1, 2022 20:45:17 GMT 1
Agree. Less of the flame throwing out a chimera of heat but rather a block smouldering away actually throwing out calories.
I mix them with proper bits of wood to get the best of both worlds.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 2, 2022 10:25:46 GMT 1
Well I use smaller bottles - to fit under the sink - and I can assure you that they have risen in the last month and indeed in the 8 months before. €18.90 May 2021 €23.15 July and Sept 2021 €23.6 November €24.5 January €25.9 March 5.5kg I assume, is that for cooking?
If so then you are getting through a hell of a lot of them.
The smaller bottles do cost more per kg of gas but that is double what I am paying for propane and I guess yours is the lower calorific value butane being used inside.
I have a 35kg propane bottle for a space heater, since moving to France its only ever been used on loan to people when their boilers fail or drying out after a burst pipe, every time the full bottle is returned empty, never once have they refilled it or offered to pay and even back then it was €100 a pop.
I mistakenly thought that I would use it with this caravan but had forgotten how France works, the cost of a 35kg refill of gas is far far more than that of the 11/13kg old school cylinders, no saving to be made and you are strongly penalised and its the same with all the fournisseurs.
Leclerc was/is the cheapest for me and on the doorstep of my new property, I can fit 4 or even more cylinders in the front locker but only need 2 which use an automatic swich over valve.
The price in January was was €27.90, today it is €24.90 with the discount if you get a new cylinder on consignment each and every time, - they really have not thought that one through  , it works out at €2.26 per kg once you have returned the cylinder and got the €5 back.
To fill my 35kg cylinder would cost €95.90, probably more today and works out at €2.74/kg.
I gave away a full 47kg propane cylinder to the builders in the UK, I would happily have used the gas but would have had to smuggle it through border control and could not have refilled it once empty and would have had the problem of getting rid of it.
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Post by spectrum on Apr 2, 2022 11:00:48 GMT 1
PAC working, UFH keeping the whole house at 23C sat in tee shirts, looking out at the snow.
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Post by lurcher on Apr 2, 2022 11:09:30 GMT 1
That is a very interesting set of figures. I have often thought that the 13kg bottles are good value and we use them for cooking only. Your calculations are consistent with our most recent cost of propane delivered for our quite large citerne. The rough price was 2400€ for 800kg. So much for saving by bulk buying our supplier may not be the cheapest available and may well be the most expensive.
Back to work now bringing in some of my last logs from the wood store. I think they will just last for another ten days when we will return to UK. The cold weather has not helped.
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Post by exile on Apr 2, 2022 11:44:25 GMT 1
pcpa - right on all counts - butane cube used for cooking
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