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Post by Dominic Best on Jul 24, 2021 8:46:06 GMT 1
As I posted on the other forum, this is only half a news story and not down to just Brexit. I had a presentation from one of the leading German haulier companies over 10 years ago about the European driver shortage and how the average age of drivers was going up about half a year every 12 months - indicating the lack of new blood entering the industry. It is a very complex problem with most males wanting to be in bed every night with their wife/girlfriend or whomsoever, rather than on the road. This has led to a significant increase in intermodal traffic - either swap bodies (where the body of the truck or the full trailer are loaded onto a rail wagon) or containers - which are now in worldwide short supply. Drivers then operate close to home at either the loading end or the final delivery end. Just to put the problem into context back in the mid noughties I had a dispirited driver turn up at out Frankfurt works. He had not been back to his home country (let alone home town) for 3 months - being shuttled back and forward, up and down and across Europe, weekends in a layby living out of the truck cab.... No wonder young drivers are not attracted to the profession. Now add Covid. What Romanian, Lithuanian, Polish driver would want to come to the UK with its soaring case levels just to make a delivery, let alone to sign up for a UK haulage company? There is no doubt that Brexit has made a difficult situation very bad and that Covid has added the lead lining to the problem but this problem has been coming for years and not just for the UK. It is a lot lot more complicated than that. You can't compare European logistics operations with UK logistics operations. They are very very different. The service and physical demands in the UK are very different. Whilist there might be an overall shortage of drivers in the UK, there is probably more a shortage of 'good' lorry drivers. It is very easy to drive a truck. Being a lorry driver is very different. A good driver can do twice the work as a bad/unexperienced lorry driver. Brexit is a small inconvenience but it is not the cause of the problems in the UK. Shouldn’t this be in the joke section?
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Post by nobody on Jul 24, 2021 9:01:52 GMT 1
Shouldn’t this be in the joke section? Possibly. But before you move it, try and counter the debate. If you can
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Post by Dominic Best on Jul 24, 2021 9:18:15 GMT 1
But you made no solid points just vague statements. Come up with concrete facts and I will play your game, until then…
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Post by nobody on Jul 24, 2021 9:33:17 GMT 1
But you made no solid points just vague statements. Come up with concrete facts and I will play your game, until then… It is a lot lot more complicated than that. FACTYou can't compare European logistics operations with UK logistics operations. They are very very different. FACTThe service and physical demands in the UK are very different. FACTWhilist there might be an overall shortage of drivers in the UK, there is probably more a shortage of 'good' lorry drivers. FACT It is very easy to drive a truck. It is not that hard. Being a lorry driver is very different. A good driver can do twice the work as a bad/unexperienced lorry driver. FACT....BIG FACTBrexit is a small inconvenience but it is not the cause of the problems in the UK. Hmmmm
I am guessing it is the last one you don't agree with.
You can't dispute the others.
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Post by Dominic Best on Jul 24, 2021 10:03:57 GMT 1
If you call those facts I’m stopping here. They are subjective opinions which are meaningless. Come back when you can provide evidence.
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Post by nobody on Jul 24, 2021 10:12:29 GMT 1
If you call those facts I’m stopping here. They are subjective opinions which are meaningless. Come back when you can provide evidence. They are not subjective they are 'objective'. The evidence is me. Because I have worked both in UK and European (France) based logistics management operations. Moreover, I can drive a truck as well. You are hung up on Brexit. Brexit is not your problem here. Brexit has just created another hurdle in the logistics operation. If you are a transport and distribution company, you adapt. That is your job. If you don't like that job, you go find another job.
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Post by Dominic Best on Jul 24, 2021 10:26:40 GMT 1
Oh dear, you really don’t understand. Bye.
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Post by nobody on Jul 24, 2021 10:36:58 GMT 1
Mimi
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Post by Dominic Best on Jul 24, 2021 19:59:25 GMT 1
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Post by exile on Jul 24, 2021 23:05:16 GMT 1
As I posted on the other forum, this is only half a news story and not down to just Brexit. I had a presentation from one of the leading German haulier companies over 10 years ago about the European driver shortage and how the average age of drivers was going up about half a year every 12 months - indicating the lack of new blood entering the industry. It is a very complex problem with most males wanting to be in bed every night with their wife/girlfriend or whomsoever, rather than on the road. This has led to a significant increase in intermodal traffic - either swap bodies (where the body of the truck or the full trailer are loaded onto a rail wagon) or containers - which are now in worldwide short supply. Drivers then operate close to home at either the loading end or the final delivery end. Just to put the problem into context back in the mid noughties I had a dispirited driver turn up at out Frankfurt works. He had not been back to his home country (let alone home town) for 3 months - being shuttled back and forward, up and down and across Europe, weekends in a layby living out of the truck cab.... No wonder young drivers are not attracted to the profession. Now add Covid. What Romanian, Lithuanian, Polish driver would want to come to the UK with its soaring case levels just to make a delivery, let alone to sign up for a UK haulage company? There is no doubt that Brexit has made a difficult situation very bad and that Covid has added the lead lining to the problem but this problem has been coming for years and not just for the UK. It is a lot lot more complicated than that. You can't compare European logistics operations with UK logistics operations. They are very very different. The service and physical demands in the UK are very different. Whilist there might be an overall shortage of drivers in the UK, there is probably more a shortage of 'good' lorry drivers. It is very easy to drive a truck. Being a lorry driver is very different. A good driver can do twice the work as a bad/unexperienced lorry driver. Brexit is a small inconvenience but it is not the cause of the problems in the UK. I tried posting a reply but with storms interrupting the reply it became lost and I cannot be bothered to give a detailed rebuttal to the half truths you peddle. So rather than go into detail just tell us why a talented truck driver like you is sat at home looking after the kids! After all as you say it is so easy.
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 24, 2021 23:20:07 GMT 1
Pedal trucks? Must have huge thighs these drivers!🤪
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Post by Dominic Best on Jul 25, 2021 7:58:59 GMT 1
I tried posting a reply but with storms interrupting the reply it became lost and I cannot be bothered to give a detailed rebuttal to the half truths you peddle. So rather than go into detail just tell us why a talented truck driver like you is sat at home looking after the kids! After all as you say it is so easy. He wasn’t a lorry driver. He worked in the office of a transport firm. He is a well known poster, FFS is very brave to allow him on the forum he’s played his part in wrecking many in the past.
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 25, 2021 9:59:39 GMT 1
How do you know this, DB? Please present factual evidence to prove what you say.
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Post by Dominic Best on Jul 25, 2021 10:17:34 GMT 1
Come on Timmy you know the score. I know that your forum treats him like a cuddly little pet but the man is destructive. You can find the facts as easily as I can.
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Post by FFS on Jul 25, 2021 10:35:42 GMT 1
I tried posting a reply but with storms interrupting the reply it became lost and I cannot be bothered to give a detailed rebuttal to the half truths you peddle. So rather than go into detail just tell us why a talented truck driver like you is sat at home looking after the kids! After all as you say it is so easy. He wasn’t a lorry driver. He worked in the office of a transport firm. He is a well known poster, FFS is very brave to allow him on the forum he’s played his part in wrecking many in the past. It's not bravery, it's ignorance, in the true sense of the word. For the moment, our correspondent from Saint Avertin is cooling his heels and unable to contribute. Whether that is short or long term is up to him.
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