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Post by robertarthur on May 12, 2022 9:10:35 GMT 1
Mangetout, not knowing what else has been identified as non conform, it is difficult to answer your question. Changing your tableau électrique doesn't change anything in the rest, your wiring, your sockets or the resistance of your earthing. If there is an earth wire not too far away from these old style sockets, hiding in a box somewhere, it is sometimes easy to install earthed sockets. Sometimes difficult, new wiring needed from the tableau. Is there already a DEO report? If not, don't listen at this moment to real estate agents.
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Post by suein56 on May 12, 2022 9:14:31 GMT 1
But would simply changing the tableaux overcome the security problem and give conformity? Sorry if I sound dumb, I just don't know anything about electrics. As Robert Arthur says you don't have to do anything about this in order to sell. It is certainly not a sale blocker.
The Diagnostics report will highlight this anomaly to the potential new purchaser who might or might not be bothered.
Friends of ours sold their house, complete with some such sockets, without problem a couple of years ago.
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Post by chrisell on May 12, 2022 10:03:44 GMT 1
Does the existing tableau have RCDs fitted?
If the tableau is old it may not have an RCD - whilst it's not perfect an RCD would make an unearthed system safer - a tableau however will not fix the lack of earth's in sockets but it would make the installation safer. The problem is buyers will still think rewire needed
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Post by landmannnn on May 12, 2022 11:12:14 GMT 1
I'm in the process of selling g and my estate agent says our electrics don't conform because some sockets aren't earthed, although obviously this will be confirmed by the diagnostics. However he did say it wasn't necessary to do a complete re wire, just to have a new fuse box installed which would provide the earthing. Is this right? Sounds too simple to me. An estate agent armed with an earth tester! You would be lucky if one turned up with a camera and notepad. |
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Post by Aardvark on May 12, 2022 11:58:34 GMT 1
I'm in the process of selling g and my estate agent says our electrics don't conform because some sockets aren't earthed, although obviously this will be confirmed by the diagnostics. However he did say it wasn't necessary to do a complete re wire, just to have a new fuse box installed which would provide the earthing. Is this right? Sounds too simple to me. Are you implying that in order to sell your house you must bring the electrical installation up to a pass standard? Excuse me if I got the wrong impression but when I sold my last place there was no compulsion to fix anything that didn't pass the diagnostique inspection. The report was simply a document to ensure that the buyer is made aware of any potential faults or toxic hazards present. Or has the law changed? |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 13:52:03 GMT 1
Hi. The people ive found to check and certificate the electrical installation is called service Central de consuel and there apparently all over france. Normally they only work with french registered and trained electricians... Maybe I am wrong.
Good luck
Well done ibis really wrong again, if you do not know an answer to an important question leave it to one of the electrical experts on here. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 13:55:10 GMT 1
I'm in the process of selling g and my estate agent says our electrics don't conform because some sockets aren't earthed, although obviously this will be confirmed by the diagnostics. However he did say it wasn't necessary to do a complete re wire, just to have a new fuse box installed which would provide the earthing. Is this right? Sounds too simple to me. It makes no difference when selling a house you do not need to upgrade anything. |
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Post by mangetout on May 12, 2022 14:00:52 GMT 1
Does the existing tableau have RCDs fitted? If the tableau is old it may not have an RCD - whilst it's not perfect an RCD would make an unearthed system safer - a tableau however will not fix the lack of earth's in sockets but it would make the installation safer. The problem is buyers will still think rewire needed What's a RCD please? Is it a disjuncteur. |
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Post by chrisell on May 12, 2022 14:49:53 GMT 1
Interupteur Differential - normally twice the size of the disjuncteurs - sits at the beginning of each row on the tableau - has a test button normally red - when it "blows" it switches off every circuit its protecting. Its fundamentally a safety switch to save people - I'm guessing you've an older board/tableau without one.
The Fuses/MCBs/Disconjectuers protect the house from too many amps.
Without hearng exactly what was said and what you think you heard - the only way to fix fully sockets without an earth is a rewire (or possibly adding in / pulling through an earth - bu which time its usually quicker to rewire) - plus adding in an earth connection for the house if theres no earth at all. An RCD/modern tableau don't rewire or magically create an earth - but the RCD does give "most" of the protection for people and its a big plus in the short term - so the agents not "wrong" in that it would be a major improvement - but its not a magic bullet either. My house was old with unearthed circuits - no RCD - first thing I did was power the old tableau via the RCD in a new tableau (rewiring was interesting due to the biirds nest of old cables...) - but that was to make it "safe" until rewired properly.
If you're selling - erm personally leave alone - you'll be spending money for someone to go - nope still needs rewiring.
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Post by robertarthur on May 12, 2022 17:48:22 GMT 1
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Post by mangetout on May 13, 2022 6:22:33 GMT 1
Thank you everyone. Looks like ours doesn't have rcd. Oh well. I'm sure the next owner can deal with that.
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Post by pcpa on May 13, 2022 17:46:36 GMT 1
The Immo does indeed sound simple!
Changing the tableau will not create an earth path to the sockets, that has to be done by manually wiring assuming it is not already there (he probably saw 2 pin sockets) and can equally be done to the existing tableau.
Electricians will always want to fit a new tableau to make the most money and if they can get away with it to con the customers into meeting all the current regs with circuits spécialisés, GTL, coffret de comms etc, as has been said you are not obliged to do anything and if a buyer tries to get you to pay for their future improvements tell them to look at new houses and not old.
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Post by pcpa on May 13, 2022 18:00:00 GMT 1
I had not seen the comments on this page, all that I wrote has already been said.
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