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Post by kerman on Aug 9, 2022 14:02:12 GMT 1
Although now resident in the UK since Jan 2020, as of later this month I will start to receive my French state pension, having lived and worked there from 2004 to 2020.
My question is this - will my French pension give me the right to return and take up permanent residency once again ?
Usual Visa people are helpless/hopeless in such a specific scenario, and the Consulate won't respond to individual cases.. TIA
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Post by suein56 on Aug 9, 2022 14:57:20 GMT 1
When working in France you presumably had a 10 year titre de séjour ?
If so then, IIRC, you can return to France as you have the right to be absent for up to a max of 5 years before you lose your residency rights.
Once those rights are lost you would need to start again with a Visa from the UK ..
Edit : I don't think your French pension confers you any rights as regards French residency.
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Post by houpla on Aug 9, 2022 15:03:06 GMT 1
Hello kerman, I had a trawl on this site...https://www.la-retraite-en-clair.fr/parcours-professionnel-regimes-retraite/carriere-etranger-retraite/retraite-expatries-francais-royaume-uni-inquiets which is a bit more helpful than the service publique.fr one. There's still no mention of this specific situation, so it looks as though it would come down to you having sufficient resources to re-enter France as any other Brit would do under the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 15:04:40 GMT 1
In my opinion I think they would need to apply for residency.
I thought a residency card was only needed to be an estate agent and a couple of other professions back in 2004.
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Post by crabtree on Aug 9, 2022 17:13:30 GMT 1
Although now resident in the UK since Jan 2020, as of later this month I will start to receive my French state pension, having lived and worked there from 2004 to 2020. My question is this - will my French pension give me the right to return and take up permanent residency once again ? Usual Visa people are helpless/hopeless in such a specific scenario, and the Consulate won't respond to individual cases.. TIA I am assuming you did not apply for the Withdrawl Agreement Residents Permit (commonly known as WARP).
You will have been entitled to it, and still are, but the official date to obtain one has passed.
However, if you want to get one you will have to go to your Préfecture (when/if you return), and make a demand for that particular Permit. You will likely need to convince them that you have a good reason for not getting one earlier.
It should be much easier than getting a TCN visa.
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Post by kerman on Aug 10, 2022 10:44:49 GMT 1
Thank you for the replies so far.
In replying to some of them, no we didn't have a Carte de Sejour - back in the day it wasn't required, and no we didn't apply for the residency under the agreement as at that time a new job was taking us back to Blighty. We were however fully registered in France, with us both having our Carte Vitale, French income tax declarations, pension contributions and deductions, URSSAF etc etc. We literally left on Jan 31st 2020, the day before it all started to go wrong..
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Post by tim17 on Aug 10, 2022 14:12:33 GMT 1
Although now resident in the UK since Jan 2020, as of later this month I will start to receive my French state pension, having lived and worked there from 2004 to 2020. My question is this - will my French pension give me the right to return and take up permanent residency once again ? Usual Visa people are helpless/hopeless in such a specific scenario, and the Consulate won't respond to individual cases.. TIA Could I ask who you applied to for your French state pension, the UK or France as I'm likely to be in the same position in a few months? Thanks in advance. |
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Post by crabtree on Aug 10, 2022 14:54:55 GMT 1
Thank you for the replies so far. In replying to some of them, no we didn't have a Carte de Sejour - back in the day it wasn't required, and no we didn't apply for the residency under the agreement as at that time a new job was taking us back to Blighty. We were however fully registered in France, with us both having our Carte Vitale, French income tax declarations, pension contributions and deductions, URSSAF etc etc. We literally left on Jan 31st 2020, the day before it all started to go wrong.. You are entitled to the WARP card. |
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Post by chrisell on Aug 10, 2022 17:15:56 GMT 1
It's probably more relevant to ask when you were thinking of returning? If it's post 2025 then you're definitely back to square one.
I must say I thought the cards all required a current address in France - but at the same time 16 years in France meant you had the right to residency anyway. It's how it works after the fact that's uncertain.
Residency on a full card gives you 5 years absence without losing rights but after 5 years absence you do lose residency rights
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Post by suein56 on Aug 10, 2022 18:09:08 GMT 1
The OP did not have a card when he/they were here - as many of us didn't at the time. And it is late to be applying for a WARP card now as it is special cases only, even so I believe they would really need to be in France to apply as, if I have understood correctly, there are rdv involved.
Hopefully someone who genuinely knows more will be along ..
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Post by kerman on Aug 10, 2022 18:23:10 GMT 1
Could I ask who you applied to for your French state pension, the UK or France as I'm likely to be in the same position in a few months? Thanks in advance. I applied from the UK to my French pension administrators, on their website. All very straight forward, needing to supply pay slips and revenue details as described by them to me. The two important things to remember are that the process doesn't commence automatically - you have to request it. Secondly, allow at least six months prior to your due entitlement/retirement date for the application to be processed. |
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Post by suein56 on Aug 10, 2022 18:30:49 GMT 1
My question is this - will my French pension give me the right to return and take up permanent residency once again ? As I said before your French pension awards you no immediate residence rights. You would need to apply for a Visa as others do or put in a late application for a WARP card and see what happens. |
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Post by tim17 on Aug 10, 2022 20:11:46 GMT 1
I applied from the UK to my French pension administrators, on their website. All very straight forward, needing to supply pay slips and revenue details as described by them to me. The two important things to remember are that the process doesn't commence automatically - you have to request it. Secondly, allow at least six months prior to your due entitlement/retirement date for the application to be processed. Thanks, that's pretty much as I thought. |
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Post by crabtree on Aug 10, 2022 20:13:30 GMT 1
The OP did not have a card when he/they were here - as many of us didn't at the time. And it is late to be applying for a WARP card now as it is special cases only, even so I believe they would really need to be in France to apply as, if I have understood correctly, there are rdv involved. Hopefully someone who genuinely knows more will be along .. You are right Sue, as I said in a previous post, a WARP can be applied for after the closing date but with a special reason for so doing. It must be done at the applicant's Préfecture. The applicant must specifiy that he/she is applying for an Article 50 TUE titre de sejour (i.e. Brexit Withdrawl Agreement Permit). |
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Post by pcpa on Aug 10, 2022 23:30:26 GMT 1
A special reason could be "I forgot"/"nobody told me"/"my dog ate the application" etc etc, I am very confident that nobody who is genuinely entitled to the residence permit will be refused it but the first word is "residence".
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