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Post by crabtree on Sept 11, 2022 9:45:39 GMT 1
I have not seen this posted on the forum, so there is a link below.
You may not like him or his politics, but he always comes across very statesmanlike when public speaking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 10:58:08 GMT 1
His statesmanlike qualities shouldn't come as a surprise, he is a statesman after all. But then, look at what we've become accustomed to.
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Post by exile on Sept 11, 2022 11:33:35 GMT 1
Do you mean a man in a state rather than a statesman?
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Post by Loiseau on Sept 11, 2022 12:30:32 GMT 1
I found Macron’s speech incredibly moving. Thank you for posting it, Crabtree.
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Post by pcpa on Sept 11, 2022 12:32:52 GMT 1
Shame the speech had not been translated by a native English speaker, that said it was likely written by if not a native speaker then by a bi-langue.
As I listened I was sure that it had been composed in English by a native speaker until one or two words which really clashed, words alone and not the construction etc, it was only on reading the French text I realised they must have been errors of translation from French, "friendly condolensces" from "sincères condoléances" but should that not have been "condoléances sincères" anyway?
Which language do you think the speech was written in and which was the translated text in your opinion?
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Post by jackie on Sept 11, 2022 12:33:01 GMT 1
A very good speech indeed.
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Post by gigi on Sept 11, 2022 14:08:36 GMT 1
Yes, I appreciated the President’s very moving speech.
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Post by dilly on Sept 11, 2022 14:46:40 GMT 1
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Post by pcpa on Sept 11, 2022 15:04:00 GMT 1
Yes that make sense Dilly.
I didn't find it off (just the odd word clashed which may have been my hearing) and agree with your conclusion.
Thanks for the correction re condoléances, I was misled by "excuses sinceres"
Off to listen to the speech again!
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Post by pcpa on Sept 11, 2022 15:10:57 GMT 1
Yes indeed, after 3 or 4 listenings it was heartfelt he was saying but the accent made it sound more like helpful to my ears, probably my brain filling in the details when the words are not clear.
Translating sincere to heartfelt was most certainly done by a native speaker, I was wrongfooted.
And yes I agree with everyone, it was a very good and moving speech especially given it was done in a second language, like singers you can tell those who really understand the words of a song in another language by the emotion they bring to them.
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Post by ajm on Sept 11, 2022 17:12:43 GMT 1
I've never seen so much nitpicking. He gave a very moving speech in his second language probably a lot better than the majority of people on here who profess to speak French.
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Post by pcpa on Sept 11, 2022 18:47:28 GMT 1
There was no nitpicking whatsoever simply discussion, if that was your perception then it speaks about you.
Never seen so much indeed!
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Post by Nifty on Sept 12, 2022 7:30:36 GMT 1
As my French is not that good, I thought I’d have a look at a computer translation of the publication of what the French President said.
‘ Dear citizens of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth,
Today we are so sad.
It is with great sadness that the French people learned of the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
His wisdom and empathy have helped us chart a course amid the vagaries of history over the past 70 years. His death leaves us with a sense of emptiness.
Millions of people around the world saw the images of her coronation and were immediately captivated by this young queen who already showed such strength and courage.
The courage of a life marked by war and soon the courage to defend, from one century to the next, the values of freedom and tenacity.
His rare but powerful lyrics and unwavering dignity have made him a permanent symbol of the UK.
We appreciated his particular affection for France.
Elizabeth II mastered our language, loved our culture and touched our hearts.
Since her coronation, she has known and spoken with all our presidents. No other country has had the privilege of receiving it as often as we have.
I knew in her a great head of state, a unique example of devotion to her people and a very close ally.
With her, France and the United Kingdom shared not only an "entente cordiale", but a loyal, sincere and warm partnership.
For you, she was your queen.
For us, it was the Queen.
For all of us, she will always be with us.
We will commemorate and perpetuate the values that she has never ceased to embody and promote: the moral force of democracy and freedom.
At this sad time, we send our sincere condolences to His Majesty the King, the Royal Family, the British people and all who loved the Queen. She will be deeply missed.
We are with you.’
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Post by ajm on Sept 12, 2022 8:25:55 GMT 1
There was no nitpicking whatsoever simply discussion, if that was your perception then it speaks about you. Never seen so much indeed! We are all entitled to our opinions. You are the only one to criticise me and 7 other members of this forum have agreed with my comments.
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Post by ajm on Sept 12, 2022 8:27:37 GMT 1
As my French is not that good, I thought I’d have a look at a computer translation of the publication of what the French President said. ‘ Dear citizens of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth, Today we are so sad. It is with great sadness that the French people learned of the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. His wisdom and empathy have helped us chart a course amid the vagaries of history over the past 70 years. His death leaves us with a sense of emptiness. Millions of people around the world saw the images of her coronation and were immediately captivated by this young queen who already showed such strength and courage. The courage of a life marked by war and soon the courage to defend, from one century to the next, the values of freedom and tenacity. His rare but powerful lyrics and unwavering dignity have made him a permanent symbol of the UK. We appreciated his particular affection for France. Elizabeth II mastered our language, loved our culture and touched our hearts. Since her coronation, she has known and spoken with all our presidents. No other country has had the privilege of receiving it as often as we have. I knew in her a great head of state, a unique example of devotion to her people and a very close ally. With her, France and the United Kingdom shared not only an "entente cordiale", but a loyal, sincere and warm partnership. For you, she was your queen. For us, it was the Queen. For all of us, she will always be with us. We will commemorate and perpetuate the values that she has never ceased to embody and promote: the moral force of democracy and freedom. At this sad time, we send our sincere condolences to His Majesty the King, the Royal Family, the British people and all who loved the Queen. She will be deeply missed. We are with you.’ If you go to Youtube you can watch his speech in English. I don't think he used a computer translation
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