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Post by JohnnyD on Jan 19, 2023 11:37:55 GMT 1
You can buy any heating appliance and have it installed, in parts. We had our non-confirming wood boiler replaced but had to buy it ( on paper) in two sections . So I could buy a 'new' boiler, and then a new burner.........then get it installed? |
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Post by houpla on Jan 19, 2023 11:51:11 GMT 1
It's R407C..definitely described as gaz on all the paperwork  The pipework will not be gas filled, the R407c is used in the heat exchange circuit of the PàC, if you had the gas in the pipes it would permeate through the PER tubing and you would have enough to create a new hole in the ozone layer to replace the one that has just healed up.
R407c will be banned in 3 years time so maybe have the pressures checked before then and any top up done, I think you would still be able to recharge for a while after the date but the price of the gas will soon explode and nobody will carry it.
Oh but it is. The pipes are plastic-coated copper and my memory isn't that bad that I've forgotten what we opted for and what was installed. It's the second lot of gas as the original one was also discontinued. The system is checked over every year by the Company that installed it, so I'm sure they'll come up with a solution. To get back to JD's OP, do you know what the timescale will be for withdrawal of fioul for heating purposes? Or will folks with existing chaudières still be able to obtain it on the black? |
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 19, 2023 12:48:14 GMT 1
You can buy any heating appliance and have it installed, in parts. We had our non-confirming wood boiler replaced but had to buy it ( on paper) in two sections . So I could buy a 'new' boiler, and then a new burner.........then get it installed? Yes , our bill shows the inside and the jacket as two different pieces , the company that put it in , said that was the only way we could replace it. They wanted to sell us an all singing/dancing computer steered woodburner and fudge the paperwork to say we were replacing an oil burner and then get it all paid for by the grant . I have problems with not being honest, so didn't do it.
But if you are not planning on permanent habitation , wood stoves are best.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 19, 2023 14:26:11 GMT 1
Oh but it is. The pipes are plastic-coated copper and my memory isn't that bad I stand corrected, every day is a learning day!
I won't tell my neighbours about your 400m2 of copper piping or else you will come home to a dug up garden and your own personal hole in the ozone layer.
Seriously enough copper piping to snake around 400m2 must have cost a fortune let alone the refrigerant gas to fill it, my little R134a bonbon cost £300 and the price has gone up a lot since then if you can even find someone to sell it to you.
An awfull lot of very desirable scrap copper buried in your garde, Houpla!
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Post by houpla on Jan 19, 2023 17:09:30 GMT 1
I thought as I was typing about your lovely neighbours  It was all done back in 2008/9 and considering the size of the installation, and as you say, the price of copper, it wasn't too bad a cost back then. We had to have some sort of system from scratch and that seemed ideal. Verrry strict requirements on insulation throughout and much more efficient with a wet underfloor set-up. It included the chauffe eau, and there was an option for clim and heating the pool, but we reckoned the pump would last longer having a bit of a rest in summer. Just a heads-up to anyone opting for an all-singing, all-dancing pellet burner. The fancy electronics for the automatic doser depend on....electricity, just like our PAC. What the sales bods never mention is that in the event of a prolonged power cut, you're stuffed! (Unless you're prepared to faff about with a genny). If we got anything wrong, it was not including a cheminée. Not having a wood of our own, we really couldn't see the point, but we do now  |
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Post by lapourtaider on Jan 19, 2023 17:51:27 GMT 1
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Post by houpla on Jan 19, 2023 18:34:22 GMT 1
That's an interesting article, LPT. Stocks are estimated to be sufficient for 40 years. It also covers the option of installing a current F30 model.
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Post by ajm on Jan 19, 2023 18:43:11 GMT 1
Wiil/do the same rules apply to gas boilers?
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Post by exile on Jan 19, 2023 20:55:20 GMT 1
Fewer particulates - but it will come.
What will be interesting is how the price of fuel will change over time.
Oil will still need to be extracted and refined because we need the products for things other than just fuel - at least until replacements can be found and to be honest I am not sure we are ready to go back to whale blubber as a lubricant.
So as diesel cars are withdrawn, there will be a surplus of that cut from the refineries. Heating oil in France is from the same "cut". So in theory that surplus will mean prices will fall. [But note, long distance heavy goods do not yet have any sensible replacement for Diesel as the motive mover.] Oil companies can adjust refining conditions to reduce the yield of diesel/heating oil but they are far from being able to eliminate its production. Can that cut be cracked to useful products? Probably yes but with expensive and probably very new kit to do it. The problem becomes exacerbated as petrol is also withdrawn. This may well make the large mega-refineries of today less and less economic versus the small units they have replaced. But they no longer exist. This suggests the price of oil products might have to rise to cover the new costs of production.
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Post by houpla on Jan 20, 2023 7:06:25 GMT 1
Wiil/do the same rules apply to gas boilers? From the monexpert site.... "Les logements individuels neufs Dès le 1er janvier 2022, et dans un premier temps, les chaudières à gaz sont interdites uniquement pour toutes les constructions neuves individuelles. Les logements anciens ne sont donc pas concernés pour le moment. L’exception pour les logements au permis d’aménager déjà délivrés Cependant, la loi a prévu une exception en ce qui concerne les logements neufs dont le permis d’aménager a déjà été délivré. Cette exception est valable jusqu’en 2023. En effet, le gouvernement a indiqué le 18 février 2021 que : « Pour ménager la transition prévue à l’entrée en vigueur, des permis de construire pour des maisons individuelles chauffées au gaz pourront encore être obtenus jusqu’à fin 2023 lorsqu’un permis d’aménager prévoyant une desserte en gaz a déjà été délivré ". |
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Post by pcpa on Jan 20, 2023 11:30:54 GMT 1
Anyone looking to buy shares in Gaz de France?
Throughout this energie crise I have been waiting for the price of bottled gas to shoot up, and waiting................. and waiting...................
It's still €29.90 for an 11kg Propane refill, I have got through 2 so far this winter which is far cheaper than heating my small well insulated apartement, the gas consumed also includes water heating, both that and the space heating are on 24/7.
I have just ordered one of the 12v 8kw diesel heaters, I am told they are fume free as they have a heat exchanger like the caravan heater where the combustion chamber is effectively outside, that should be a lot cheaper than even the bottled gas.
Something is wrong when 1kwh of bottled propane with all the attendant transport costs and profits of intermediaries costs about the same as 1kwh of state (heavily) subsidised electricity considering how much comes from Nuclear and Nature.
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 20, 2023 19:18:52 GMT 1
Until I see my neighbour come down the road in an electric tractor ( ! ) there will still be Gasoil available. |
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Post by lurcher on Jan 20, 2023 22:32:34 GMT 1
I have followed most of the thread purely as a matter of general interest “just in case” I need it. JD, have you found a definite answer to your question?
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Post by JohnnyD on Jan 21, 2023 9:16:07 GMT 1
I have followed most of the thread purely as a matter of general interest “just in case” I need it. JD, have you found a definite answer to your question? The most definitive I can get is that you wont get a new boiler installed by anyone if it is bought as 1 unit, a complete boiler, if I or the installer buys it in separate pieces, it can then be installed, how easy that is to actually action, I have no idea, like I say, you can still buy 'new' oil boilers. |
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It was all done back in 2008/9 and considering the size of the installation, and as you say, the price of copper, it wasn't too bad a cost back then. We had to have some sort of system from scratch and that seemed ideal. Verrry strict requirements on insulation throughout and much more efficient with a wet underfloor set-up. It included the chauffe eau, and there was an option for clim and heating the pool, but we reckoned the pump would last longer having a bit of a rest in summer.
