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Post by cernunnos on Feb 11, 2023 14:19:29 GMT 1
"Do you really tell your doctor what is wrong with you"
I didn't say that .
Jen went to the docter, with a swelling on her ankle , he said that she would have to live with it , so we made an apointment with a specialist and told him that we needed the letter. The specialist sent her to physio , swelling gone. Same thing with her eyes , she needs a cataract operation , so we made an apointment with the eye clinic ,they wrote him a letter that we delivered.
Obviously ,our docter is overworked and takes the easy way out ( I don't need to tell untruths ) :-))
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Post by mangetout on Feb 11, 2023 15:08:19 GMT 1
I obviously misunderstood. I thought you were suggesting that all you had to do to see a specialist was to tell your doctor and he would write a referral letter, without you needing to see him beforehand.
Of the two examples you give, your wife did see the doctor about her ankle and, as we all know, no one needs to be referred to an ophthalmologist.
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 11, 2023 16:41:48 GMT 1
Yes, the first example , he said nothing could be done, so we made an apointment with the specialist ourselves and then told him we needed a letter. Second example, WE didn't know , so not "as we all know "
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Post by mangetout on Feb 11, 2023 17:09:59 GMT 1
Do you really get a referral letter to get your eyes tested?
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Post by exile on Feb 11, 2023 19:43:49 GMT 1
No-in my experience. OTOH te secretariat did organise the first appointment but i had no referral note to take with me.
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 11, 2023 20:43:24 GMT 1
Sorry Mangetout, we seem to have crossed wires . I don't really " rate "our GP , and have never trusted docters anyway , so tend to organise my own health requirements . Like going for a blood test every year and then checking the results myself . We pay enough for the services that are decreasing daily , so we keep an eye on what is wrong with ourselves and then go and tell the docter what we want to do about it.
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Post by pcpa on Feb 12, 2023 13:25:48 GMT 1
Do you pay him (or does the Secu) for a consultation for him to write the referral letter or does he do it unpaid?
I ask because the usual/traditional way is to have a consultation for the referral (spelling?) and thes make up an important part of the remuneration of a médecin, if you have 100% health coverage either by Mutuelle or the CSS then if you are not already doing so then I suggest you consider it, you might find relations between you warm a little.
When I had no health coverage and paid for everything it got very onerous (in the French meaning) for me to pay €25 for a certificat medical to satisfy the stupid requirements of a club or their insurers, to walk on the public highway and public footpaths for instance, if I had already submitted to a medical with my médecin for my diving or running club then I would ask his secretaire if he could just sign the certificate for me without a consultation, I felt bad doing it but they accepted.
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Post by mangetout on Feb 12, 2023 15:53:31 GMT 1
Sorry Mangetout, we seem to have crossed wires . I don't really " rate "our GP , and have never trusted docters anyway , so tend to organise my own health requirements . Like going for a blood test every year and then checking the results myself . We pay enough for the services that are decreasing daily , so we keep an eye on what is wrong with ourselves and then go and tell the docter what we want to do about it. My personal preference is to seek the advice of a medical professional rather than Dr Google. Accepted, not all doctors are equal, but at their worst they know more than the man on the street. I go for a blood test evey year, and I too look at the results. But I doubt even Dr Google can weigh up the importance of anything out of 'range' without knowing the patient and the significance thereof. If you think you are paying for a service which is decreasing in value, I fail to see how not using it increases the value when you cannot opt out of contributing. But these are just my views, and many may disagree.
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Post by pcpa on Feb 12, 2023 17:12:56 GMT 1
Same question regarding the ordonnance for the blood tests, do you have a consultation first to get the ordonnance, ask him to do one without or go direct and pay in full?
Even in my poorest times I would pay for the consultation for the ordonnance and then for the blood tests, in full for both as I had no health coverage, but having done that I could go back and discuss any anomolies to be reassured and it was not charged for.
I'm glad I went straight to the Maison Medicale when I felt very rough, unusually poor, instead of Docteur Google, I'm glad that I accepted seeing a remplaçante rather than wait for my médecin to return from holiday, the remplaçante diagnosed very quickly a suspicion of Sepsis, sent me immediately next door for blood tests and chased up the results sending me directly to hospital later that day.
She may have saved my life.
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Post by exile on Feb 12, 2023 17:43:44 GMT 1
My blood test ordinance comes with alternate rdv to renew my prescriptions.
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 12, 2023 19:13:02 GMT 1
Do you pay him (or does the Secu) for a consultation for him to write the referral letter or does he do it unpaid? I ask because the usual/traditional way is to have a consultation for the referral (spelling?) and thes make up an important part of the remuneration of a médecin, if you have 100% health coverage either by Mutuelle or the CSS then if you are not already doing so then I suggest you consider it, you might find relations between you warm a little. When I had no health coverage and paid for everything it got very onerous (in the French meaning) for me to pay €25 for a certificat medical to satisfy the stupid requirements of a club or their insurers, to walk on the public highway and public footpaths for instance, if I had already submitted to a medical with my médecin for my diving or running club then I would ask his secretaire if he could just sign the certificate for me without a consultation, I felt bad doing it but they accepted. I will start by replying to this because I think it is directed at me?
Living in France for 32 years , I have been a registered farmer and paid cotisation to the MSA and a Mutuel for 32 years. My relation with the docter is very good , he is a very very busy man , so doesn't mind not having to see a patient.
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 12, 2023 19:19:23 GMT 1
Sorry Mangetout, we seem to have crossed wires . I don't really " rate "our GP , and have never trusted docters anyway , so tend to organise my own health requirements . Like going for a blood test every year and then checking the results myself . We pay enough for the services that are decreasing daily , so we keep an eye on what is wrong with ourselves and then go and tell the docter what we want to do about it. My personal preference is to seek the advice of a medical professional rather than Dr Google. Accepted, not all doctors are equal, but at their worst they know more than the man on the street. I go for a blood test evey year, and I too look at the results. But I doubt even Dr Google can weigh up the importance of anything out of 'range' without knowing the patient and the significance thereof. If you think you are paying for a service which is decreasing in value, I fail to see how not using it increases the value when you cannot opt out of contributing. But these are just my views, and many may disagree. I don't know who Dr Google is .
I agree that a GP knows more than the man in the street , you don't know my background. Blood tests are easy to check , but a docter with so many patients can't possibly know each patient personally. I didn't say that services are decreasing in value , just decreasing.
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 12, 2023 19:25:26 GMT 1
Same question regarding the ordonnance for the blood tests, do you have a consultation first to get the ordonnance, ask him to do one without or go direct and pay in full? Even in my poorest times I would pay for the consultation for the ordonnance and then for the blood tests, in full for both as I had no health coverage, but having done that I could go back and discuss any anomolies to be reassured and it was not charged for. I'm glad I went straight to the Maison Medicale when I felt very rough, unusually poor, instead of Docteur Google, I'm glad that I accepted seeing a remplaçante rather than wait for my médecin to return from holiday, the remplaçante diagnosed very quickly a suspicion of Sepsis, sent me immediately next door for blood tests and chased up the results sending me directly to hospital later that day. She may have saved my life. Simple , I go to the docter and say , " please write me an ordonnance for my yearly blood test " and pay him ( which I am reimboursed, because I pay cotisation ) Why did you get sepsis ?
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Post by pcpa on Feb 13, 2023 12:56:11 GMT 1
Simple , I go to the docter and say , " please write me an ordonnance for my yearly blood test " and pay him ( which I am reimboursed, because I pay cotisation ) Why did you get sepsis ? Thaks for that, in your earlier response you did not actually answer the question, I wasn't going to ask a 3rd time so had assumed incorrectly. It wasn't my choice to get Sepsis They could not find la voie d'entrée, I think it could have been when I sliced my thumb open on the table saw but the Maladies Infectieuses specialist thought that it was too long ago, as it had healed but it was very septic at the time and as usual with me all of a sudden the dead tissue sprung back to life and knitted like a horse in a field.
My self belief is that my strong immune system had beaten it back but it remained at a low level, the night before I felt ill I had been running in the December rain on the piste with the club and we all got soaked by a sudden downpour as we returned to the shelter of our vehicles, I think I went down from that and the Sepsis was able to multiply in my weakened state. We will never know.
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Post by Aardvark on Feb 13, 2023 18:32:08 GMT 1
Update re: my quest to find a new doctor. Today a great weight was lifted from my shoulders. We decided to have one last try camping out in the car in front of the surgery our old pharmacist had suggested. Hour and a half waiting did the trick. The doctor turned up and at first he asked if we had a RDV and I said no, and handed him a pre prepared letter in French explaining the situation. He bid us to sit down while he read the letter. Then asked, in English, what he could do to help. He handed us our prescriptions (three months worth of ordenances) and said because of our problem getting in touch over the landline he also gave us his mobile number and email address so we now have three ways to make contact. Then with documents in hand we went down the road to his nearest pharmacy. Lady behind the desk took the first prescription and asked something......... ? I guess the look on our faces spoke volumes. She then spoke more slowly and then broke into English. She asked for our address and when she read it she said she has a grandmother living near to us. Then she happened to mention the hamlet and I said we know of it. She then said there had been some Anglais living next door to her gran and I asked if it was Kenny & Kim, the artist. Yes! It was. What a small world eh? The pharmacist is 35 minutes drive away from here. In all, a great day. Thanks again to all the kind folks on this forum that offer suggestions. So much nicer than those who live to criticise and point out our shortcomings. After all, that's what we get married for.
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