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Post by ajm on Sept 1, 2023 13:53:03 GMT 1
My OH is popping over to UK to visit friends & family for a few days. She was planning an itinerary for activities during the week and found the website of a restaurant a friend had suggested. Perusing the wine list they advertise a bottle of Italian red that we have just discovered here in Lidl that is very nice. The resto charges £17 for a bottle. We buy it here for just under €3! She won't be ordering it with her meal. Be fair, though. French restos charge silly prices for wine...that's where they make their profit. Restaurants around the world typically have a markup on wine of 4 to 5 times the retail price. This also applies to food. Look at your meal next time in a restaurant and work out what the ingredients would cost and compare that to the price. They have massive overheads to cover and what's wrong with making a profit ---that's what business is about.
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Post by omegal on Sept 1, 2023 16:19:45 GMT 1
Be fair, though. French restos charge silly prices for wine...that's where they make their profit. Restaurants around the world typically have a markup on wine of 4 to 5 times the retail price. This also applies to food. Look at your meal next time in a restaurant and work out what the ingredients would cost and compare that to the price. They have massive overheads to cover and what's wrong with making a profit ---that's what business is about. We have had two restaurants in France, one in the Dordogne and one in the Ille et Vilaine, as said the mark up with wine helps cover costs. The amount you multiply costs by is dependent on basic cost e.g a decent rose can be be bought wholesale at around €3,50, you might see that marked up at around €20. A good Cotes du Rhone Villages might cost around €7-10+ so you could only out it up to 3-4 times costs. Restos need to sell wine and hopefully aperos, digestifs are a lot harder to sell. Would people moan about meats, a decent steak from a reputable butcher, even in Metro or Promocash may only costs 3-5 euros, possibly less but will go out with frites or a veg or two for around €20-26 depending on the resto of course. Sure it takes a bit more work to sell, compared to wine but as stated again, restos have to make a profit but please the guests at the same time. It's often a juggling game to get by. More and more chefs now are taking cheaper cuts and making them in to something quite delicious and there lies a better profit.
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Post by Nutty on Sept 3, 2023 15:07:38 GMT 1
Some friends came for lunch recently and the husband thrust a bottle at me saying "a bottle of plonk". And it was. It certainly won't be drunk. He did me a favour the other day and I was tempted to give it back, disguised in a fancy carrier. Give him time and return the compliment.. The centime might just drop with him..
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 3, 2023 16:20:57 GMT 1
Agreed. When my sister visited last, we ate at a local restaurant. As it was my treat I chose a bottle of Sancerre which my sister likes; price.40€. Still I'd rather drink good wine. Some friends came for lunch recently and the husband thrust a bottle at me saying "a bottle of plonk". And it was. It certainly won't be drunk. He did me a favour the other day and I was tempted to give it back, disguised in a fancy carrier. We live at the level where a visit to a restaurant is maybe an event once every year or two, and is usually a "formula" type Routier place. Wide choice, plenty of self serve starters and wine included. The wine won't please those expats further up the pyramid but we love it. It must be a shock when people who have had the benefit of a medium to high level of income and used to the life that brings lands on hard times. It can happen to anyone. Redundancy, health issues, expensive legal battles, stock market crashes, any number of things can change one's outlook on what is necessary in life.
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Post by curtis on Sept 3, 2023 18:27:29 GMT 1
The important thing is to enjoy what you do. You can eat well at Les Routiers where the food is less fussy but satifactory. If it wasn't they wouldn't get the customers.It's not just lorry drivers. Agreed, nobody know what is round the corner.
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Post by mysty on Sept 4, 2023 14:03:59 GMT 1
Agreed. When my sister visited last, we ate at a local restaurant. As it was my treat I chose a bottle of Sancerre which my sister likes; price.40€. Still I'd rather drink good wine. Some friends came for lunch recently and the husband thrust a bottle at me saying "a bottle of plonk". And it was. It certainly won't be drunk. He did me a favour the other day and I was tempted to give it back, disguised in a fancy carrier. We live at the level where a visit to a restaurant is maybe an event once every year or two, and is usually a "formula" type Routier place. Wide choice, plenty of self serve starters and wine included. The wine won't please those expats further up the pyramid but we love it. It must be a shock when people who have had the benefit of a medium to high level of income and used to the life that brings lands on hard times. It can happen to anyone. Redundancy, health issues, expensive legal battles, stock market crashes, any number of things can change one's outlook on what is necessary in life. That's more than us we are more takaway pizza people without the wine.
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Post by Nutty on Sept 4, 2023 17:07:49 GMT 1
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Post by another on Sept 4, 2023 18:14:10 GMT 1
How much is a 13kg bottle of propane these days? Re plonk, I buy a Spanish Tempranillo from the local supermarket called rather incongruously ' The Guv'nor', it cost's me €2.30, it's available in the UK but it's £8.99 or €11.
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 4, 2023 18:46:03 GMT 1
The last bottle of propane I bought was about €35. We no longer use gas. An electric hob does the job without all the heavy lifting.
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Post by mysty on Sept 4, 2023 18:46:14 GMT 1
As if
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Post by mysty on Sept 4, 2023 18:48:46 GMT 1
How much is a 13kg bottle of propane these days? Re plonk, I buy a Spanish Tempranillo from the local supermarket called rather incongruously ' The Guv'nor', it cost's me €2.30, it's available in the UK but it's £8.99 or €11. I read you cannot buy pink toilet paper in Spain due to the fact men found it too girly. What is the average price of toilet paper and do you find it softer on the botty than French toilet paper?
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Post by another on Sept 5, 2023 19:07:52 GMT 1
The last bottle of propane I bought was about €35. We no longer use gas. An electric hob does the job without all the heavy lifting. That's cheaper than I remember them being back in 2018 when we left France but still expensive. Here the standard orange 13kg bottles are subject to government price regulation and the last one I bought was €14.02. I'd hardly call it 'heavy lifting' though, I sometimes buy two at a time - one for each hand for balance
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Post by lapourtaider on Sept 5, 2023 22:40:30 GMT 1
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Post by Nifty on Sept 6, 2023 1:10:00 GMT 1
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Post by Nifty on Sept 6, 2023 1:13:26 GMT 1
Have you seen the price of cauliflower!
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