JohnnyD
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Post by JohnnyD on Sept 23, 2023 15:41:51 GMT 1
I have just bought one of these
What are the rules about where I can place the power outlet to it, its not a plug and socket, but will be a wired outlet
Its a very small bathroom
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mysty
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Post by mysty on Sept 23, 2023 17:00:23 GMT 1
I have one similar that is under a meter from the bath your not a new build. Not sure about your region but we have no electic police in the Cher.  |
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Post by cernunnos on Sept 23, 2023 18:42:50 GMT 1
Ask Leroy Merlin ?
I would say , keep it away from any wet ( bath or shower)
It has nothing to do with police , more to do with safety?
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mysty
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Post by mysty on Sept 23, 2023 18:59:12 GMT 1
I always thought if your house is properly earthed you will be fine.
I have seen plenty of new builds with electrics close to water sources.
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Post by lapourtaider on Sept 23, 2023 22:05:17 GMT 1
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 24, 2023 9:37:37 GMT 1
I have just bought one of these
What are the rules about where I can place the power outlet to it, its not a plug and socket, but will be a wired outlet
Its a very small bathroom
The link provided by laportraider showing the "volumes" is the standard to follow. They are based on common sense and safety. My shower room is very small but it was possible to follow the rules. Owners with already connected supplies are able to make modifications that may or may not follow the regs and may never be inspected. A new installation or renovation that involves a reconnection to the supply will usually involve an inspection. Reconnection could then be refused until certain failures are corrected. Installation of the heated towel rail using a specialised wiring point is a big step in the right direction as opposed to a simple 3-pin socket that could be subject to unsafe use at a later date. |
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Post by robertarthur on Sept 24, 2023 9:48:07 GMT 1
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Post by rabbit on Sept 24, 2023 9:58:53 GMT 1
I asked the same question and was advised Robert that it should be a switched socket. I used a switched Legrand plug that he recommended.
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Post by ajm on Sept 24, 2023 10:00:24 GMT 1
Our bathfoom has an old 2 pin socket over the wash basin and there was one over the sink in the kitchen. How times have changed
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Post by annabellespapa on Sept 24, 2023 10:18:06 GMT 1
JD we converted our utility room to accommodate a walk in shower and install a heated towel rail very similar to the one you purchased, it is a class 2 double electrical installation which have different regulation across Europe, in my UK installation we had to be at least 1m from a sink/shower, we were lucky that there was a plug socket in the corridor going to the room which I ran the cable into through the wall and put a switch plate with a light to show that it is on, replacing the plug socket.
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Post by robertarthur on Sept 24, 2023 11:01:50 GMT 1
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Post by robertarthur on Sept 24, 2023 11:35:04 GMT 1
@ Mysty, if every building here in France should be in line with the latest regs, we could as well send in demolotion teams to destroy 90 % of the existing buildings. On the other hand: there are minimum safety regs trying to avoid a trip to a hospital or worse. An earthing resistance of less than 100 Ohms, better much lower because of the sécheresse the last five years, is helpful. Water, humidity and electricity, not a very friendly mixture. 1/ Again the EDF: Prises électriques et points d'eau.2/ EDF: Tableau électrique et point d'eau.
3/ From earlier NFF topics this quote: In the original regs of 2002 article 528.2 we find the following remarks about voisinage avec des canalisations non électriques
Please no water pipes above your wiring, risk of condensation, or take preventive measures: 528.2.2 Les canalisations électriques ne doivent pas être placées parallèlement au-dessous des canalisations pouvant donner lieu à des condensations (telles que canalisations d'eau, de vapeur ou de gaz, etc.) à moins que des dispositions ne soient prises pour protéger les canalisations électriques des effets de ces condensations. Easy access just in case you have to repair something: 528.2.3 Lorsque des canalisations électriques sont installées au voisinage de canalisations non électriques, elles doivent être disposées de sorte que toute intervention prévisible sur une canalisation ne risque pas d'endommager les autres. |
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Post by lurcher on Sept 24, 2023 12:39:22 GMT 1
Looking at all the diagrams and notes presented by the previous posts you would be wise to post a clear plan of your bathroom. Can you say if you do have any zone 2 or safer zones in the room and do they allow you to position the towel rail in a convenient place. Also do you have a choice where the connection point is located?
I know these questions simply revisit your starting point but I suspect the answer is contained in all the information given RA as usual. He could probably give you a definitive reply if he had the room plan.
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Post by robertarthur on Sept 24, 2023 15:42:09 GMT 1
More head-scratching. In principle every appareil de chauffage électrique fixe should be connected to a circuit specialisé. The usual suspects according to the Amendement 5 of the French electrical code NF C 15-100. Wouldn't it be nice if there are already electric heaters close to the bathroom. As long as you don't exceed the maximum power of let's say 2.5mm² wiring + a disjoncteur of 16 A you can run them on the same circuit. In the past every electric heater had its own wiring and protection. As from December 5th 2002, publication of a revision of the electrical code, the regs changed: max power to be taken into account, radiateurs/accumulateurs in parallel allowed. After complicating things even further it's time to be practical. Such a little towel radiator of only 750 W is not an excessive extra load and not always on, perhaps 30 minutes. These guys are allowed for a standard circuit prises, about 2000 W and probably on for several hours. A possible overload is not to be expected when connecting such a sèche-serviette to a standard circuit prises using a sortie de câble. Safe distances in the bathroom and the presence of interrupteurs différentiel of 30 mA in the tableau électrique are more than enough to run such an electric towel radiator, no electrical safety problems in my opinion. |
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