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KS
Oct 11, 2023 5:26:58 GMT 1
Post by norfolk on Oct 11, 2023 5:26:58 GMT 1
Yesterday, at the Labour Party conference Sir Keir Starmer gave probably his most important speech of his political career so far. I’m pretty apolitical, disgusted like many with the Tory antics over the past thirteen years and wishing for better things for the UK. His speech was launched with an attack of sparkly dust thrown over him. He brushed this aside (literally) and carried on, fairly unflustered. I thought he did well on the whole and convinced me at least that maybe the Labour Party, now bereft of the anti-semetic views of the Corbynista regime would make a decent fist of forming a government. Like the majority on here, I receive my UK pension and therefore have a vested interest in what happens in Blighty. Has your opinion changed or, been enhanced by him ?
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 7:00:55 GMT 1
Post by tim17 on Oct 11, 2023 7:00:55 GMT 1
Never been a fan and nothing he has said recently has changed my mind. However, anything is better than the Tories so I'd be happy if Labour were in power tomorrow, they have made huge promises but people have to bear in mind that it will take years to even start to improve the state of the country as there is simply no magic pot of money to dip into. The only way to speed up the required changes is to borrow but with interest rates likely to stay high in the UK for some time that comes at a huge cost to the country so expect some tinkering with various taxes to generate a few billion but nothing more for now.
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 9:09:14 GMT 1
Post by monsieur3seas on Oct 11, 2023 9:09:14 GMT 1
No confidence in Sir Keir nor his side kick Angela.
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Nifty
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 9:14:33 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Oct 11, 2023 9:14:33 GMT 1
Who do you have confidence in?
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 9:24:31 GMT 1
Post by tim17 on Oct 11, 2023 9:24:31 GMT 1
I've just watched him say that Labour will 'bulldoze through the planning system', well good luck with that.
Various housing developments in Norfolk have been delayed due to 'nutrient neutrality' rules meaning unless house builders can show that their developments will not affect the water quality in nearby rivers planning permission will not be granted, currently the building of 40000 houses is on hold in Norfolk alone because of this so unless Labour are more successful than the Tories in getting the rules altered nothing will change and the delays will continue.
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Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Oct 11, 2023 9:59:07 GMT 1
I'm curious why people are anti-starmer. Is it because he is intelligent? Or tells the truth? Maybe the general populace prefer self serving liars, crooks, and populist buffoons that know how and where to stash their ill gotten gains.
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 10:01:13 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by ajm on Oct 11, 2023 10:01:13 GMT 1
Who do you have confidence in? None of the above!
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 14:20:38 GMT 1
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Post by omegal on Oct 11, 2023 14:20:38 GMT 1
Bottom line is I don't care if King Kong is the leader of the opposition, or if he said nothing. The Tory record is absolutely abysmal. Money wasted in all departments, fingers in all the pies and also offered to friends, no doubt for back handers. Corruption has proved to be rife, four PM's in such a short space of time. From my point of view I seriously cannot believe anyone would vote for what is, in my lifetime the worst government ever by far and bar none, it stinks and it is bringing the country down. Now using all the excuses it can muster to avoid being slaughtered at the GE next year.
I can see Rachel Reeves becoming the first woman Labour leader
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 14:34:34 GMT 1
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Post by norfolk on Oct 11, 2023 14:34:34 GMT 1
I'm curious why people are anti-starmer. Is it because he is intelligent? Or tells the truth? Maybe the general populace prefer self serving liars, crooks, and populist buffoons that know how and where to stash their ill gotten gains. I think KS comes over quite well, he’s growing on me.
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 17:17:31 GMT 1
Post by tim17 on Oct 11, 2023 17:17:31 GMT 1
What KS and Labour have done for months (and continue to do) is to 'sit on the fence' on various issues, once in power let's see how they handle the tough decisions - public sector strikes, HS2, immigration etc.
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garbo
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 20:10:10 GMT 1
Post by garbo on Oct 11, 2023 20:10:10 GMT 1
KS = BS. Full of populist nonsense and will turn which ever way the wind blows. No conviction no real policies and unbelievably woke I do not believe he will win an election, Kinnock 2.0.
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 20:22:06 GMT 1
Post by tim17 on Oct 11, 2023 20:22:06 GMT 1
I do not believe he will win an election Can we have a bet on that, please say we can.
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 20:42:27 GMT 1
Post by omegal on Oct 11, 2023 20:42:27 GMT 1
I do not believe he will win an election Can we have a bet on that, please say we can. Yes I'll have some of that as well tim17 but I doubt garbo will have the bottle to back his belief. What say you garbo?
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garbo
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 20:54:27 GMT 1
Post by garbo on Oct 11, 2023 20:54:27 GMT 1
Most certainly do have the bottle to back my belief that Starmer WILL NOT win the next election. To clarify win means outright win. None of this SNP, Liberal coalition crap. Tim17 was first to ask so a bottle of wine on it. Not sure how it would work though.
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KS
Oct 11, 2023 22:33:10 GMT 1
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Post by lapourtaider on Oct 11, 2023 22:33:10 GMT 1
I seriously hope I'm way off the mark, but I have a niggling doubt that maybe, just maybe, the tories will somehow win the next election. I so hope I'm wrong.
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