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Post by cernunnos on Oct 12, 2023 7:12:15 GMT 1
Whoever wins the next election in the UK , let's hope that they can " take back control " of the country . I personally doubt if any of the British politicians have the character or the vision to help solve the problems in that little group of islands, most of which is not even owned by those living there! We have a good standard of living here, even though we are in the lowest income bracket.
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Oct 12, 2023 7:15:18 GMT 1
Post by tim17 on Oct 12, 2023 7:15:18 GMT 1
I seriously hope I'm way off the mark, but I have a niggling doubt that maybe, just maybe, the tories will somehow win the next election. I so hope I'm wrong. Don't say that, Garbo's giving me a bottle of wine next year and I've already chosen what I'd like.
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Oct 12, 2023 7:19:09 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Oct 12, 2023 7:19:09 GMT 1
Those with any credence have either resigned or been ousted.
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Oct 12, 2023 9:26:57 GMT 1
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Post by Aardvark on Oct 12, 2023 9:26:57 GMT 1
What appears to be fence sitting, lack of policies, or divulging few details of their intentions is a strategy. If they had laid all their cards on the table a year of two before the next GE the Cons would have had time to implement Labour's ideas and claim them as their own. This way, the Torys have been allowed to continue their bumbling disastrous tenure while more of the sheeple wake up to how bad things really are. Of course the downside to this strategy is that the longer the old crew stay in power the worse the situation becomes, and more money is miss spent to leave a total skip fire for Labour to sort out.
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Oct 12, 2023 10:29:20 GMT 1
Post by tim17 on Oct 12, 2023 10:29:20 GMT 1
What appears to be fence sitting, lack of policies, or divulging few details of their intentions is a strategy. If they had laid all their cards on the table a year of two before the next GE the Cons would have had time to implement Labour's ideas and claim them as their own. This way, the Torys have been allowed to continue their bumbling disastrous tenure while more of the sheeple wake up to how bad things really are. Of course the downside to this strategy is that the longer the old crew stay in power the worse the situation becomes, and more money is miss spent to leave a total skip fire for Labour to sort out. There is a difference between 'fence sitting' and keeping your cards close to your chest for strategic reasons. Public sector strikes and cancelling part of HS2 are 'current' events and you don't simply stay silent when asked what you would do if you were in power if you want to be taken seriously, long term issues such as a crumbling NHS are different and do require a strategy and a detailed plan. It's widely believed that the recent party conferences will be the last before the GE which could come as early as May next year so the time for fence sitting is rapidly coming to an end.
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Oct 12, 2023 11:14:16 GMT 1
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Post by ForumUser2 on Oct 12, 2023 11:14:16 GMT 1
The benefit Labour currently holds is that it doesn't need to really do anything other than tick over while the Tory party successfully destroys itself.
That the Conservatives will leave government at the next election is as close to a certainty as it's possible to get. It's really just a matter of whether Labour command an overall majority in the House.
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Oct 12, 2023 12:58:32 GMT 1
Post by jeliecrack on Oct 12, 2023 12:58:32 GMT 1
I see a minority government of either side but not a landside victory for labour, what people say and what they vote are two different things.
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Post by mangetout on Oct 12, 2023 13:48:01 GMT 1
A member of my family attended a dinner held in London last week for bankers and leaders in fintech. As is the way of things, it culminated in a charity raffle. One of the prizes was sponsored by Rishi Sunak. It was roundly booed. When your own turn against you, you know the game is up.
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Oct 12, 2023 17:14:41 GMT 1
Post by Aardvark on Oct 12, 2023 17:14:41 GMT 1
What appears to be fence sitting, lack of policies, or divulging few details of their intentions is a strategy. If they had laid all their cards on the table a year of two before the next GE the Cons would have had time to implement Labour's ideas and claim them as their own. This way, the Torys have been allowed to continue their bumbling disastrous tenure while more of the sheeple wake up to how bad things really are. Of course the downside to this strategy is that the longer the old crew stay in power the worse the situation becomes, and more money is miss spent to leave a total skip fire for Labour to sort out. There is a difference between 'fence sitting' and keeping your cards close to your chest for strategic reasons. Public sector strikes and cancelling part of HS2 are 'current' events and you don't simply stay silent when asked what you would do if you were in power if you want to be taken seriously, long term issues such as a crumbling NHS are different and do require a strategy and a detailed plan. It's widely believed that the recent party conferences will be the last before the GE which could come as early as May next year so the time for fence sitting is rapidly coming to an end. I don't understand what the party conferences are all about. From an outsider's point of view it looks like a mass of party groupies gather to adore their leaders and kiss butt. The real vote winning will come from the question and answer interviews broadcast over radio and TV interviews now leading up to the election.
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Oct 12, 2023 17:24:11 GMT 1
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Post by tim17 on Oct 12, 2023 17:24:11 GMT 1
I don't understand what the party conferences are all about. It's where policy ideas are put forward and discussed which is why this year's conferences were so important, if ideas aren't popular at conference then they're usually not included in manifestos.
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Oct 12, 2023 19:31:22 GMT 1
Post by glazedallover on Oct 12, 2023 19:31:22 GMT 1
I don't understand what the party conferences are all about. It's where policy ideas are put forward and discussed which is why this year's conferences were so important, if ideas aren't popular at conference then they're usually not included in manifestos.And if they are popular at conference they are not included either..... www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-67056005
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Oct 12, 2023 20:33:25 GMT 1
Post by tim17 on Oct 12, 2023 20:33:25 GMT 1
It's where policy ideas are put forward and discussed which is why this year's conferences were so important, if ideas aren't popular at conference then they're usually not included in manifestos.And if they are popular at conference they are not included either..... www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-67056005Indeed, you can see why the Labour leadership won't go for it though as the cost would be around £90 billion.
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Post by glazedallover on Oct 12, 2023 20:41:09 GMT 1
worth every penny.
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Post by exile on Oct 12, 2023 22:58:08 GMT 1
While I can fully accept the fence sitting and holding cards close to the chest comments, I think there is also a real issue of not knowing exactly what is in the bank accounts ( more precisely what is owed and when it has to be repaid) that only becomes clear once you are in power and have access to those books.
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Oct 13, 2023 6:48:15 GMT 1
Post by tim17 on Oct 13, 2023 6:48:15 GMT 1
While I can fully accept the fence sitting and holding cards close to the chest comments, I think there is also a real issue of not knowing exactly what is in the bank accounts ( more precisely what is owed and when it has to be repaid) that only becomes clear once you are in power and have access to those books. That may have been the case years ago but the state of the public finances is well known thanks to the publications from the OBR and the IFS so Labour will know in advance how much money is in the coffers which is why they're being cautious about grand spending plans. I expect a more grown up government who will make small tax changes to increase revenue but there is simply no room to splash the cash.
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