mysty
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Post by mysty on Nov 17, 2023 17:38:43 GMT 1
I know im no the smartest man on the planet but when sunak waffles on saying he has cut the numbers entering the UK when the numbers are still rising in Europe no reporter has worked out its quicker sailing to Italy and flippin Dover.
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Post by glazedallover on Nov 17, 2023 18:16:10 GMT 1
Rishi could do a deal with this man for processing the 'migrants'
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Post by jackie on Nov 18, 2023 10:13:55 GMT 1
He keeps saying that a foreign court has made this decision when it’s the UK Supreme court which is located near the UK parliament. 🤷♀️🤷♀️
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Post by lindalovely on Nov 21, 2023 11:54:49 GMT 1
Why do people keep thinking that freedom of movement in Schengen is somehow the same as unrestricte4d immigration.
Freedom of movement means that within Schengen there are no internal hard borders. That is a pragmatic decision as much as anything as the cost of policing 1000s of KM of land borders is prohibitive. Sure you can put a couple of checkpoints on major roads but smaller roads and open land are impossible to police, and in some places, the border actually runs down the middle of a street. (We did a walk in Spain last month, up by the French border..at one point the path meanders back and forth between France and Spain.) What freedom of movement doesn't mean is that anyone can just turn up and live and work..for that you have to have permission and the correct paperwork. Even within Schengen and the EU you always did have live legally in your chosen country with adequate resources. The number of British people that failed to understand that and thought that living in France 9 months of the year while pretending that you lived in the UK was surprising to me.. Not always the people I thought either, but the ones who on the surface appeared very law abiding. (They have now for the most part returned to the UK).
For non EU residents there are border checks for anyone entering the Schengen zone from non Schengen countries, such as the UK.Turkey, Ukraine and Belarus.
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Post by triumphant on Nov 23, 2023 19:10:09 GMT 1
Could the Dutch election result be an indication of the direction of travel that countries within the EU may be heading regards immigration?
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Post by mysty on Nov 23, 2023 22:40:29 GMT 1
Could the Dutch election result be an indication of the direction of travel that countries within the EU may be heading regards immigration? It's nothing new when right wing racists blame the immigrants for everything that is wrong. The same happened in the UK but the Dutch will not leave Europe when they see what a basket case the UK have become. Try watching the COVID enquiry instead of Farage.
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Post by exile on Nov 23, 2023 22:40:58 GMT 1
You might well be right triumphant. I will however remind you that in the summer of 1939 there was also significant nationalist support in countries across Europe and beyond such as Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Hungary, Spain, France and even the UK. They were wrong then as proven by history. Could it be they are wrong now?
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Post by Polarengineer on Nov 24, 2023 7:14:12 GMT 1
One must not forget the way the Dutch system works (?) Wilders got the most seats for one party but has only a small support of voters compared to the total votes for the other parties. He will have a hell of a job to form a government and may even fail. There could be another election soon when the other parties form alliances. It is all understandable when locals and refugees compete for housing, of which there is a great shortage. As a UK passport holder, I took up Dutch nationality because of Brexit and the fact that I have lived less time in UK than elsewhere in Europe, I felt I am more Dutch than English, however, I am astounded that so many Dutch feel they should support Wilders. It is not how I remember the Dutch at all. It all seems as though we need some AI as human intelligence has taken a dive. To refer to one Dutch newspaper interview with a young lady with a very Turkish sounding name, she stated that her great grandfather was a Turkish immigrant and now she voted for Baudet (hard right compared to Wilders) but she agreed 80% with Wilders. Where’s the sense in that?
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Post by cernunnos on Nov 25, 2023 19:54:50 GMT 1
The "Dutch" elections are being used by the English right leaning TV channels to show that Brexit was a good thing , but they have no comprehension of the Dutch political system that is based on religion.
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Post by triumphant on Nov 26, 2023 10:47:47 GMT 1
You might well be right triumphant. I will however remind you that in the summer of 1939 there was also significant nationalist support in countries across Europe and beyond such as Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Hungary, Spain, France and even the UK. They were wrong then as proven by history. Could it be they are wrong now? If there is an increase in right wing support creeping across Europe, could the blame lie with the left wing policies being pursued by most governments?
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Post by jeliecrack on Nov 26, 2023 11:56:26 GMT 1
The far right in france are very good at promising,saying all the things that people want to hear, But really don't have anything of a policy to put in its place.There is no left wing to speak of anymore hasn't been for a good ten years or more.
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Post by sw31girl on Nov 28, 2023 10:58:43 GMT 1
The irony is that most European countries now have lower birth rates and will probably need immigration at some point in the future to fill care roles. Unless, maybe, they recompense woman properly to take time from work to look after young children!
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Post by jeliecrack on Nov 28, 2023 11:46:58 GMT 1
How would you compensate women properly?
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Post by Nifty on Dec 7, 2023 10:42:18 GMT 1
Get the pump out and check their tyres.
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