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Post by johnboy on Jan 13, 2024 13:53:50 GMT 1
Does anybody know how i can find a break in my french sockets wiring there are 8 sockets on the circuit which all stopped working the other day there is power to the sockets but the neutral is not connected
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Post by hughnique on Jan 13, 2024 14:36:48 GMT 1
Do you know the route of the sockets from the board as it should be on a radial, if the fault is at the first socket it is either a connection in that one or in the board itself
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Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Jan 13, 2024 14:38:56 GMT 1
A tricky one. Test for continuity between the neutral terminal on the breaker that feeds the sockets in question and the neutral on each of the sockets, starting with the closest one to the panel moving away. You should get continuity until you reach the socket beyond the break. This method should find the point the fault, unless some plonker has wired the house with a "ring main" system. Also might be useful to check that there is continuity between the neutral bus bar in the panel and the neutral terminal on the output side of the breaker that feeds the sockets affected.
Sorry if this doesn't make sense. Easier to do than to explain.
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Post by hughnique on Jan 13, 2024 14:39:37 GMT 1
Sorry just re read got to be from the board to the 1st socket so probably in the board itself of first socket. These faults rarely happen in isolation, no pun, have you been doing any DIY indoors which might have compromised it
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Post by robertarthur on Jan 13, 2024 14:56:03 GMT 1
Start in your tableau électrique, check voltage around the fuse or MCB (input ---->output) protecting this circuit feeding your sockets. Follow the suspects, socket 1 to socket 2 etc. Not always easy: back boxes somewhere, sometimes almost invisible. Using a multimeter and those protection sockets with obturateurs, use a simple testeur de prises. This one is made by Chauvin Arnoux, the CA 751.
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Post by curtis on Jan 13, 2024 15:41:19 GMT 1
Does anybody know how i can find a break in my french sockets wiring there are 8 sockets on the circuit which all stopped working the other day there is power to the sockets but the neutral is not connected Hello John boy. Looks like this is your first post here. It would be good to have a small introduction and also it would help if you added your location.
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Post by robertarthur on Jan 13, 2024 15:57:19 GMT 1
@ JB, new in France? About the feed to your fuse holders or MCBs, from the RCD they get their daily stream of electrons ( alimentation) top-down. As from the 90's using a so called peignes de raccordement, see picture. Black is phase, blue neutre. Single-phase or three-phase ?
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Post by Polarengineer on Jan 13, 2024 16:38:08 GMT 1
Does anybody know how i can find a break in my french sockets wiring there are 8 sockets on the circuit which all stopped working the other day there is power to the sockets but the neutral is not connected[/span] there seems to be a contradictory statement here. please explain what you mean by the highlighted text in another way.
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Post by robertarthur on Jan 13, 2024 17:21:32 GMT 1
@ PE, measuring the presence of voltage using a little neon screwdriver? Could also be a phantom voltage, induced by another circuit, not a hard voltage.
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Post by Polarengineer on Jan 14, 2024 8:12:19 GMT 1
This I know, but there is so much assumption from such incomplete and contrary explanation. What does “ neutral is not connected” actually mean in this case? Was it physically disconnected? And if so why? My Kepner Trago training says question into a hole to understand the problem. This has never failed me.
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Post by lurcher on Jan 14, 2024 9:40:53 GMT 1
Does anybody know how i can find a break in my french sockets wiring there are 8 sockets on the circuit which all stopped working the other day there is power to the sockets but the neutral is not connected The preceding answers to your question are driven mainly by a lack of information about the problem. The members are highly skilled and knowledgeable. You have suggested a reason for a problem that has arisen but it is unlikely anyone could give a definitive answer without knowing the detail of the fault and how you have been investigating the problem. Try to describe your procedures and give reasons for your conclusions. We will all benefit from knowing the final result.
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Post by hughnique on Jan 14, 2024 10:46:48 GMT 1
I would say the OP's question was pretty clear in layman's terms, he assumes he has a live supply to his sockets after using a neon tester, but somewhere along the line the neutral has been dislodged, as said possibly best to start off in the board
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Post by Polarengineer on Jan 14, 2024 11:19:57 GMT 1
This is the reason for my post on this subject. Hughu in the op, there is no assumption that there is power, he clearly states that there is. The only mention of a neon tester is from RA, not from the OP. This, however does not distract from your good advice as where to investigate.
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Post by chrisell on Jan 14, 2024 11:46:15 GMT 1
It's affecting every socket so it has to be between the board and the first socket. Check connections at the board - make sure they're tight and you've 240v. If that's fine remove first socket and check the connections.
After that there's no easy way of tracing a broken wire. Find the path it takes and see if there's any junction boxes where a connection might be loose or where there's work been done recently. It can be simpler to just start again depending on the run. In theory junction boxes should be accessible but older installations rarely are.
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Post by Le-Dolly on Jan 14, 2024 12:30:08 GMT 1
Does anybody know how i can find a break in my french sockets wiring there are 8 sockets on the circuit which all stopped working the other day there is power to the sockets but the neutral is not connected Hello there, are you not happy with answers to the exactly the same question that you asked on the other forum?
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