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Post by quilbert on Feb 27, 2024 12:52:38 GMT 1
So 'The Netherlands' isn't 'planning to shut down car chargers' at all, it's a proposal from a regional grid company.
Sounds like the country has some history of failing to maintain / upgrade its infrastructure.
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Post by suein56 on Feb 27, 2024 14:06:43 GMT 1
Sounds like the country has some history of failing to maintain / upgrade its infrastructure. That phrase sounds familiar .. I've heard it somewhere before.
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Post by robertarthur on Mar 9, 2024 11:44:00 GMT 1
Who reads yesterday's papers, not from the Rolling Stones album 'Between the buttons' (1967) but from the NRC, a Dutch newspaper. Food for thought for other countries. Let's unzip reality now that politicians keep dreaming. Translated quote: 'The warnings are piling up. Last week, Stedin, the manager of the regional power grid in the Randstad and Zeeland regions, made an urgent appeal to citizens to stop charging their electric cars between 4pm and 9pm. Far too much power is already consumed during those hours and there is simply not enough room on the grid to supply everyone. The grid is 'full'. A few days later, Alliander, parent company of Liander, the operator of the regional power grids in Gelderland and elsewhere, warned that it could take another 10 years to solve this problem. Indeed, expanding grids so that more power can be transported takes years. Because of long permit procedures, among other things, but also because local residents often object to infrastructure in their backyards. On Thursday, this was joined by a cry of alarm from Enexis, the grid operator for the southern and northern Netherlands. That company also warned (again) that the power grid is bursting at the seams. The company added a dimension to the problem by pointing out that the rate at which capacity is being added cannot keep up with growing demand at all. '
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Post by Aardvark on Mar 9, 2024 12:03:47 GMT 1
Like it or not, they will simply have to cut the power a few times during their peak TV viewing hours and see what happens. Or as has been mentioned here before, with the Linky meters individual homes can be monitored and have supplies reduced as necessary.
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Post by Nifty on Mar 17, 2024 6:22:10 GMT 1
More axes to grind
I read on FB So it must be true:>& ‘That to manufacture a Tesla car battery --12 tons of rock for Lithium (can also be extracted from sea water) -- 5 tons of cobalt minerals -- 3 tons nickel ore -- 12 tons of copper are required.
You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain: -- 26.5 pounds of Lithium -- 30 pounds of nickel -- 48.5 pounds of manganese -- 15 pounds of cobalt
To manufacture the battery also requires: -- 441 pounds of aluminum, steel and/or plastic -- 112 pounds of graphite
The Caterpillar 994A is used to move the earth to obtain the minerals needed for this battery. The Caterpillar consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours. (I thought that they ate green vegetables j
The bulk of necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor in Africa is done by children. When you buy an electric car, China profits most. The 2021 Tesla Model Y OEM battery (the cheapest Tesla battery) is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation. The battery weighs 1,000 pounds (you can imagine the shipping cost). The cost of Tesla batteries are:
Model 3 -- $14,000+ (Car MSRP $38,990) Model Y -- $5,000–$5,500 (Car MSRP $47,740) Model S -- $13,000–$20,000 (Car MSRP $74,990) Model X -- $13,000+ (Car MSRP $79,990)k
It takes 7 years for an electric car to reach net-zero CO2. The life expectancy of the battery is 10 years (average). Only in the last 3 years do you start to reduce your carbon footprint, but then the batteries must be replaced and you lose all gains made.
But by all means, get an electric car. Just don't sell me on how awesome you are for the environment. Or for human rights.’
What is the alternative?
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Post by cernunnos on Mar 17, 2024 8:38:52 GMT 1
Horse and cart !
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Post by Nifty on Mar 17, 2024 9:04:48 GMT 1
There is no mews attached to the flat. ( the neighbour has a cat though) I reckon that we will be stuck with the rental for the duration.
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Post by Aardvark on Mar 17, 2024 11:55:43 GMT 1
Horse and cart ! At least the cart can be easily repaired at the roadside without the assistance of a laptop and the horse produces a useful byproduct for the garden.
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Post by Nifty on Mar 17, 2024 12:02:01 GMT 1
All very well for those with gardens and access to the services of a blacksmith.
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Post by Aardvark on Mar 17, 2024 12:25:18 GMT 1
Maybe blacksmithery could be added to the "higher education" curriculum (?) to improve the chances of employment when all the "media studies" posts have dried up.
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