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Post by hal on Aug 12, 2021 16:20:37 GMT 1
Here is an interesting one. Monday I have a call from the hospital to visit the next day for a minor matter, oh, and by the way, nip in and get a PCR. OK, says I and off I trot to get a PCR. Now, I should mention here that I feel blisteringly fit and have been proudly showing my passe sanitaire all over the place.
Monday evening, results back on an email flashing red! I am positive! I laughed and said 'shurely shome mishtake..'. Yesterday, all sorts of calls from Assurance Maladie getting a list of contacts together and isolate etc etc. I told one young lady that this has to be a mistake to which she said it could well be, or I am asymptomatic. But agreed that another test would say one way or the other.
Popped in again today for another test and just had a call from someone screaming blue murder down the phone that I had a test on Monday and why am I having one today. I retorted that it might be a mistake which only sent her into a more blue mood! Ten minutes later, an email with the second test result 'positiv' - now I ask if this is a genuine result or someone stamping some authority on it out of annoyance and just saying it is positive.
OK. Let us say I am asymptomatic. This means that I could have just had a covid bug settle on me, or I could have had a swarm of the blighters on me for two weeks. How do I know when I am clear if I cannot have regular tests. I can see how a normal carrier would know what stage they are at, but an asymptomatic person?
Let's now say I have been giving covid a safe house for two weeks. Do I have to work back and list every supermarket I have been in, every person whose fist I have pumped? Where does it end?
Then of course, I have innocently travelled into Spain on my double vacc QR code, and indeed all around the place, and would continue to do so but for an rdv out of the blue at the hospital!
Another interesting one - for the passport to work properly, there should be a link from a recent PCR test to the QR code on the passport, so that a reader would know in a case such as mine that I am positive despite flashing my passport...
As I have clearly upset the official PCR lab, can I get antigen tests every few days, and when one is positive say this overrides my past PCR tests? How 'official' are antigen tests in France?
Unlike the UK, the French track and trace (I think) does not send their police out to check on isolation, so I wonder how many people with a passport, yet postive are ignoring it all and moving freely on their passport leaving a trail behind them?
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Post by plog on Aug 12, 2021 16:47:04 GMT 1
Sorry to hear about all this…hope you get whatever needs sorting sorted out soon..
“Unlike the UK, the French track and trace (I think) does not send their police out to check on isolation”
I know it’s only the TV but FWIW there just happened to be a short report on FR2 or FR3 news yesterday lunchtime showing some French police going door to door checking on people who who were meant to be isolating…I didn’t pick up the reason quite why the individuals needed to isolate ..post travel? post positive test?
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Post by ibis on Aug 12, 2021 16:55:25 GMT 1
Unlike in the UK, the french police do not tell you what they are doing; nor is it reported a lot.
Get well soon....
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Post by FFS on Aug 12, 2021 17:07:02 GMT 1
Curious that the hospital asked you to take a PCR test when you have a pass sanitaire: my wife went to hospital yesterday for her perfusion and simply showed her pass sanitaire; if she hadn't had one, they would have asked for a negative test result. As I understand it, and how it worked for her, it's either one or the other.
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Post by ibis on Aug 12, 2021 17:15:00 GMT 1
Curious that the hospital asked you to take a PCR test when you have a pass sanitaire: my wife went to hospital yesterday for her perfusion and simply showed her pass sanitaire; if she hadn't had one, they would have asked for a negative test result. As I understand it, and how it worked for her, it's either one or the other. Thems the rules... so it is curious that they demand he get one..
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Post by Crystal on Aug 12, 2021 17:27:02 GMT 1
You popped in again today for another test...so you put others at risk by exposing them to the virus when you re supposed to be isolating  My doctor said a negative result can sometimes be wrong... but a positive is a positive |
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Post by hal on Aug 12, 2021 17:45:13 GMT 1
As I was more cautious on when to arrive for the test today, touched nothing and made sure of distance between the one other person, I was today putting less people at risk than prior to Monday having coffee in the square, lunch in close proximity of others, shopping, supermarkets even a vide grenier where I have maybe unwittingly struck down more than a taliban might do with an AK47!
I do not post this trying to wriggle out of a situation myself, but present the legion possibilities of the innocent becoming involved and in particular, how many might/will abuse the 'system' relying on a passport. So please do not judge me as I am happy to quarantine all summer and thank my maker that I have backup to make it pretty easy!
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Post by lindalovely on Aug 12, 2021 17:48:23 GMT 1
It's bizarre isn't it. When we actually had Covid we were told that after 10 days we could go back to work...no need for another test. The fact that we felt like shit and were coughing and sneezing all over the place didn't seem to bother anyone. The official line is you are clear after 10 days...stop isolating and don't take any tests unless you have to!
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Post by manonthemoon2 on Aug 12, 2021 18:02:55 GMT 1
Hope you stay asymptomatic Hal whilst you isolate and don't suffer any symptoms.
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Post by hal on Aug 12, 2021 18:04:37 GMT 1
And there is a thing Linda - the app actually says seven days isolation! I stupidly brought this up with the young lady screaming at me which was not a good thing to do as you can imagine! My latest on this is that it is nigh on impossible to get antigen test kits here in the pharmacies so that I can take one each morning, yet they are littering the house up in Oxford. It would pay me to set up a black market in these things  Thanks for words of concern! Touched,but I am really fine and already set up the sand bags at the gates! |
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Post by exile on Aug 12, 2021 19:34:49 GMT 1
From what I have seen, generally people are infectious from day 5 to day 10 after initial infection.
So regarding having a PCR test to back up the vaccine pass, if you had the test on day 4, it could well show negative even though by the time you get the results on day 5 you could be highly infectious.
Put simply there is no 100% "safe" system. The vaccine pass does reduce the risk but no more than that.
I am increasingly getting the impression however that vaccination against the delta variant is less effective in terms of preventing (re)infection. Vaccination certainly seems to reduce symptoms, reduce hospital admissions and overall the numbers dying are dramatically down. However people are certainly getting covid delta post vaccination or even being re-infected with covid when the second attack is from the delta variant. Remember however that none of the vaccines gives 100% protection.
As to people having symptoms post the 10 day period, these are most likely due to secondary infections by other bugs. If you get knocked for 6 by one virus the bodies defence systems become heavily tested and coping with subsequent infections can be just a bit too much for the system to manage. It may well be that we will find that at least some of the long covid problems are linked to this and it has already been suggested that Chickenpox/ Shingles virus may be a culprit is some cases of long covid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 19:38:31 GMT 1
Apparently a lot of those double vaccinated who have to be admitted due to Covid have other things going on as well
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Post by FFS on Aug 12, 2021 20:07:08 GMT 1
Apparently a lot of those double vaccinated who have to be admitted due to Covid have other things going on as well From what I've seen/heard, there are very small numbers of double vaccinated people being admitted to hospital compared with non-vaccinated people. Get vaccinated, reduce the effect of an infection; remain unvaccinated, increase the risk of catching a serious dose. |
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Post by ibis on Aug 12, 2021 20:20:37 GMT 1
It's bizarre isn't it. When we actually had Covid we were told that after 10 days we could go back to work...no need for another test. The fact that we felt like shit and were coughing and sneezing all over the place didn't seem to bother anyone. The official line is you are clear after 10 days...stop isolating and don't take any tests unless you have to! You were from "another wave" meaning other variant. Things change... |
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Post by lindalovely on Aug 12, 2021 22:21:08 GMT 1
It's bizarre isn't it. When we actually had Covid we were told that after 10 days we could go back to work...no need for another test. The fact that we felt like shit and were coughing and sneezing all over the place didn't seem to bother anyone. The official line is you are clear after 10 days...stop isolating and don't take any tests unless you have to! You were from "another wave" meaning other variant. Things change... I'm not sure it makes much difference to the point though...how long are you infectious for and how long do you need to self isolate after testing positive. I also know people during our 'wave' who had no symptoms but tested positive. However by and large at the time asymptomatic people were only tested if they were a close contact of an infected person, whereas now routine screening is perhaps highlighting more asymptomatic cases. However not sure there is a definitive answer as to how long people remain infectious. |
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