mysty
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Post by mysty on May 3, 2024 9:52:44 GMT 1
Whoever you are talking to on their side is not being fair or truthful. If your land is on one side of the river then you are responsible for the banks and river bed to the middle of the river, if you own the land both sides then you are responsible for both banks and all the river bed. You can do what you like with them, but not use heavy machinery in the river. The river water is not yours. It is a shame you agreed to these idiots to remove the dam. They should not have the right to do that if your mill is on the carte de Cassini of 1879. These bods are throwing their weight around all the rivers and lakes causing untold costs to the owners. I just assumed he knew what he was talking about. We argued the point that where the dam was built is nowhere near our land and it was built long before we bought the mill. He said we were still liable. I got the dates wrong it was not 2023, it all started up in 2021. We might have won if it went to a tribunal our mill is in the cantal and the dam is in the Lot but just 50 m from the edge of our land.
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mysty
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Post by mysty on May 3, 2024 12:33:00 GMT 1
No, if the dam was built without permission from the local water authority. As already been said you own the river bed halfway to the centre of the river if you own the bank , but it also means you have to keep it clean. Sometimes it is better to give in a little to the local authorities so that they help you if you need it. Also , you donât have to put up with the fishermen on your land , you can fence it and put up signs , but once again , better to talk to the local fishing association first. I had our stream declared a reserve de pĂȘche with the Federation in Limoges , so no fisherman . When I say its a dam, all it is is some rocks put in the river to push more water into the inlet that ran through the mill. We have only been there a couple of times since it was bought back in 2014, not many fishermen about. One was walking in the water the last time we were there. Our side is a little over grown the other side is a farmers field. ( flat level and easy to walk on) PE, no idea on the map but the bulding says it was before 1879.
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Post by Polarengineer on May 3, 2024 13:27:41 GMT 1
You can see the cart de cassini for your river on Geoportail website watermills that existed then are marked as a small circle with radial blades like a childs idea of the sun when drawn. If your mill is shown then you have automatic rights to use the water in the race.
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Post by cernunnos on May 3, 2024 19:12:04 GMT 1
The carte de Cassini was finished in 1783 after many years of work , so Mysty's mill was built 90 years later, our mill was a forge long before Cassini.
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Le-Dolly
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Post by Le-Dolly on May 3, 2024 22:00:52 GMT 1
We have a stream that passes through our property, both banks. Named as ruisseau du Rhin, I have formed a holding pond into which I have introduced and encouraged native crayfish which feed us handsomely several times a year. No one has ever asked for permission to see "our bit" of the stream. The ruisseau is shown prominently on the Cassini maps, but they are 'new' compared to other maps dating to the times of the construction of our habitation, part of which goes back to the time of Aurelian, followed by more construction by the Seigneurs de Crozant and then pre Revolutionary building extensions.
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Post by Polarengineer on May 4, 2024 5:50:39 GMT 1
Beware the river police. They have very long noses. I know of two unfortunates that have had their lakes filled in due to the enormous cost of complying with regulations ( as interpreted by those with the power).
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Post by cernunnos on May 4, 2024 11:01:00 GMT 1
Beware the river police. They have very long noses. I know of two unfortunates that have had their lakes filled in due to the enormous cost of complying with regulations ( as interpreted by those with the power). I agree with you PE , but all that is happening is retrospective application of laws that were broken years ago. In our area the PNR is showing it's teeth by removing ponds and lakes that were built and then left to silt up due to departure of the original owners . We get subsidies for makeing small ponds for wildlife and others have to remove their fish ponds because they were/are illegal!
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