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Post by mysty on Apr 30, 2024 11:45:13 GMT 1
Your not allowed to cut the branches on your trees until after the 15th of August as the birds are nesting.
We all knew that đ
I asked the question as we are working on a mill next to a river
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Post by jeliecrack on Apr 30, 2024 12:05:11 GMT 1
its a law that applies to agricultures not individual gardeners ,unless there is a local bylaw ,although its promoted as for everyone.
Quelle date idéale pour la taille des haies ?
Les tailles de haies et lâĂ©lagage des arbres se pratiquent avant la montĂ©e de sĂšve, câest Ă dire en hiver, idĂ©alement pendant les mois de novembre et dĂ©cembre. De maniĂšre gĂ©nĂ©rale, laissez autant que possible la vĂ©gĂ©tation se dĂ©velopper naturellement, sans taille ni Ă©lagage et veillez Ă garder du bois mort sur pied et au sol.
Que dit la loi ?
Il existe une rĂšglementation nationale en France qui interdit la taille entre le 16 mars et le 15 aoĂ»t aux agriculteurs bĂ©nĂ©ficiant de primes de la Politique Agricole Commune (PAC) au titre des Bonnes Conduites Agricoles et Environnementales. Il peut en outre exister une rĂšglementation locale communale sur les tailles des vĂ©gĂ©taux et il convient de sâinformer Ă la mairie (codes civils et rural).
Par ailleurs, au titre de lâarticle L411-1du code de lâenvironnement,dĂ©truire le nid dâune espĂšce protĂ©gĂ©e constitue un dĂ©lit passible de trois ans dâemprisonnement et 150 000 euros dâamende.
Pour plus d'informations, vous pouvez télécharger notre fiche juridique sur le sujet.
Les oiseaux et la faune des jardins vous remercient !
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Post by mysty on Apr 30, 2024 12:10:57 GMT 1
My mistake, I took it from his email we could not touch the trees before August.
French is not my first language đ
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Post by mysty on Apr 30, 2024 12:11:32 GMT 1
Bonjour,
PremiĂšre chose : Bonne nouvelle le programme OPEN RIVERS a acceptĂ© notre candidature pour les travaux du seuil du moulin de Pont de Rhodes. Nous bĂ©nĂ©ficions donc dâun financement de 100% et les travaux auront lieu cet Ă©tĂ©.
Concernant les arbres de votre propriĂ©tĂ©, le SMDMCA nâinterviendra pas sur la coupe de ces derniers, nous ne faisons pas dâentretien chez les riverains. En France, lâentretien des berges est un devoir qui incombe aux propriĂ©taires riverains.
Concernant votre projet de coupe vous nâavez pas Ă faire de dĂ©claration en mairie ni mĂȘme aux services de lâĂ©tat. En revanche il est interdit, par la loi, dâenlever les racines et de dessoucher. De plus dans votre cas les racines de ces arbres maintiennent les berges et Ă©vitent UNE potentiel Ă©rosion qui pourrait dĂ©stabiliser les fondations de votre maison.
Vous pouvez néanmoins couper court ces arbres pour favoriser le recépage (voir schéma en piÚce jointe). Cette technique permet un maintien plus important des berges.
Autres rĂšgles :
La coupe doit ĂȘtre rĂ©alisĂ© aprĂšs le 15 aoĂ»t, soit aprĂšs la pĂ©riode de nidification des oiseaux.
RĂ©aliser la coupe depuis la berge afin dâĂ©viter de piĂ©tiner les moules perliĂšres prĂ©sentent sur le secteur, qui sont elles protĂ©gĂ©es.
Je peux aussi me déplacer sur place avec vous pour vous expliquez si vous le souhaitez.
Vous souhaitant une bonne journée,
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Post by iolar on May 1, 2024 8:48:03 GMT 1
Mysty,
in contrast a wealthy farmer somewhere in west England brought in contractors and destroyed about 200m of river bank, the habitat of otters and other protected species. With flood waters this will erode the river bank and take decades to fix. Any fines will be minimal and no action will be taken against the contractors.
Laissez faire - the bedrock of life in the UK.
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Post by jardiniere on May 1, 2024 10:57:15 GMT 1
I took it from his email we could not touch the trees before August. That's right, isn't it? |
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Post by jeliecrack on May 1, 2024 12:04:41 GMT 1
its true but that law is only for professionals, I would assume that the help given by the agency will be dependant on adhering to their rules.
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Post by cernunnos on May 1, 2024 15:55:38 GMT 1
You are right Mysty, and August September is the best time to clar up river trees , when there is the least water in the river and the banks are dry .
I am reminded every year by the chambre dâAG that I canât cut trees in the Summer but the SAFER destroyed a whole field /hedgerow environment across from us last Summer. They had applied for a derogation so could do what they liked!
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Post by Nifty on May 1, 2024 16:04:03 GMT 1
Continuing on a theme from by last postâŠ..
â banks are dry â
Odd that they would like to get people up the creek that leads to debit.
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Post by mysty on May 1, 2024 22:04:20 GMT 1
You are right Mysty, and August September is the best time to clar up river trees , when there is the least water in the river and the banks are dry . I am reminded every year by the chambre dâAG that I canât cut trees in the Summer but the SAFER destroyed a whole field /hedgerow environment across from us last Summer. They had applied for a derogation so could do what they liked! When they first contacted us and wanted a meeting by the river I think it was either just before COVID or inbetween lockdowns. They wanted us to pay for a survey of a small stone dam that was built by a previous owner 20 something years before we bought the mill. They wanted to check and move anything living there and remove the dam. It used to bring the water through the mill house. I had said we are not paying for something we did not build but under French law we were liable. Anyway after a lot of emails and time they got some more funding and agreed to cover all the costs if we gave up our rights to divert the water. We did not want the water running through the ground floor. It still runs at the side of the house. They said they would tidy up the edge of the land when they removed the dam so we were just asking about the trees incase we were not allowed to touch them. The trees will just be reduced in height later this year and unlike the fishermen who walk up the river fishing we will not step foot in the river as he says it's interdict. |
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Post by Polarengineer on May 2, 2024 5:18:07 GMT 1
Whoever you are talking to on their side is not being fair or truthful. If your land is on one side of the river then you are responsible for the banks and river bed to the middle of the river, if you own the land both sides then you are responsible for both banks and all the river bed. You can do what you like with them, but not use heavy machinery in the river. The river water is not yours. It is a shame you agreed to these idiots to remove the dam. They should not have the right to do that if your mill is on the carte de Cassini of 1879. These bods are throwing their weight around all the rivers and lakes causing untold costs to the owners.
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Post by jeliecrack on May 2, 2024 6:01:07 GMT 1
Do rivers belong to the owners of the land they flow through?
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Post by Polarengineer on May 2, 2024 7:26:27 GMT 1
Do rivers belong to the owners of the land they flow through? Yes, but NOT the water. |
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Post by lapourtaider on May 2, 2024 15:36:22 GMT 1
It is a shame you agreed to these idiots to remove the dam. They should not have the right to do that if your mill is on the carte de Cassini of 1879. Does that apply in this case? small stone dam that was built by a previous owner 20 something years before we bought the mill. |
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Post by cernunnos on May 2, 2024 15:59:44 GMT 1
No, if the dam was built without permission from the local water authority.
As already been said you own the river bed halfway to the centre of the river if you own the bank , but it also means you have to keep it clean.
Sometimes it is better to give in a little to the local authorities so that they help you if you need it.
Also , you donât have to put up with the fishermen on your land , you can fence it and put up signs , but once again , better to talk to the local fishing association first. I had our stream declared a reserve de pĂȘche with the Federation in Limoges , so no fisherman .
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