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Post by tim17 on Aug 15, 2021 7:10:08 GMT 1
Much in that piece is spot on, we just don't want to admit it or can even recognise it.
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Post by Nifty on Aug 15, 2021 9:45:06 GMT 1
‘ The "new snobbery" is a form of condescension practised by university-educated "progressives" - directed at people they consider ignorant and bigoted, David Skelton argues. ‘
I think that quote could tell the reader more about the mindset of the author than it tells them about class distinction.
nevertheless an interesting read.
‘ Skelton says the "headlong rush" towards deindustrialisation - and the switch to a service-based economy - in the 1980s and 1990s was a mistake.‘
what else could/should have been done ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 10:20:48 GMT 1
She could have invested oil money in bolstering the UK's manufacturing capacity and invested in infrastructure. Instead, she invested in London and in destroying industries like, shipbuilding, coalmining, steelmaking and car manufacturing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 11:09:55 GMT 1
And had health and safety or miners welfare been her motivation then Thatcher's actions would have been admirable. I think we all know that as constraint to profit making, h&s and welfare don't rate highly at that end of the political spectrum.
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Post by woolybanana on Aug 16, 2021 22:50:30 GMT 1
She got rid of an outdated and inhuman coal industry whose unions fancied that they could rule the country by strike action.
The motor industry killed itself through bad management and hideous union behaviour.
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Post by Nifty on Aug 17, 2021 6:30:49 GMT 1
‘ Is a new form of snobbery reshaping British politics? ‘
No.
Top end bankers and fraudsters are trying to.
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Post by tim17 on Aug 17, 2021 6:59:33 GMT 1
She got rid of an outdated and inhuman coal industry whose unions fancied that they could rule the country by strike action. The motor industry killed itself through bad management and hideous union behaviour. Rather than merely curbing the power of unions she made it her mission to destroy them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 10:18:12 GMT 1
She got rid of an outdated and inhuman coal industry whose unions fancied that they could rule the country by strike action. The motor industry killed itself through bad management and hideous union behaviour. Trade unionism was created to protect and give a voice to the victims of the bad management and poor working conditions that you acknowledge existed. Not one of us hasn't benefited from the movement they created.
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Post by flober on Aug 17, 2021 11:16:18 GMT 1
Its just that some have forgotten thats all.
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Post by triumphant on Aug 17, 2021 12:40:39 GMT 1
Its just that some have forgotten thats all. I haven't forgotten what the union's did for me, I joined in 1969 when I left school and the most direct effect the unions had on my working life were strikes and being refused entry to a worksite because I was in the 'wrong union'. They needed sorting out it's just a shame that it was done so ruthlessly.
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Post by flober on Aug 17, 2021 12:51:27 GMT 1
Did you refuse your pay rise when it was collective bargining? did you refuse 39 hr week ? did you refuse 4 weeks holiday? easy to slack off isn't it.
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Post by triumphant on Aug 17, 2021 12:58:54 GMT 1
Did you refuse your pay rise when it was collective bargining? did you refuse 39 hr week ? did you refuse 4 weeks holiday? easy to slack off isn't it. Of course not as you say collective bargaining, however I've done far better since I gave up my union card in the 80's. They served their purpose when workers were denied even the most basic rights but their time passed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 13:20:54 GMT 1
Did you refuse your pay rise when it was collective bargining? did you refuse 39 hr week ? did you refuse 4 weeks holiday? easy to slack off isn't it. Of course not as you say collective bargaining, however I've done far better since I gave up my union card in the 80's. They served their purpose when workers were denied even the most basic rights but their time passed. In view of this government's commitment to probity and best practice I'd say it's never been more important that exploitable workers have Union protection. I'm not really into modern slavery.
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Post by flober on Aug 18, 2021 6:51:40 GMT 1
I don't agree that there is less need for a union now,I would say it is more relavent then ever. Gig economy spring to mind as an example, or boohou sweat shops, sports direct warehouses these type of " factories" are just the tip of the iceberg. I joined the cfdt here when I came to France because as an immigrant I had no idea what the rules and regulations were, I had tremendous help from them.
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Post by Nifty on Aug 18, 2021 7:36:53 GMT 1
‘ So though I'm a working man I can ruin the government's plan ‘
Strawbs
If ever there was a time that this would be beneficial, it is the present. problem being, that workers have been so dissolved by the events of progress as to be indistinguishable, and, the main plan of the cabinet seems to be ……… what ?
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