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Post by mangetout on Jul 16, 2024 10:44:58 GMT 1
When discussing a recent crime which was being reported in the UK press with a visitor to my home, the visitor said 'I don't even need to see a picture of the man arrested for the crime, I just know he'll be black or an immigrant'. Do you take this to be racist?
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Post by ajm on Jul 16, 2024 11:23:52 GMT 1
Stereotypical maybe
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Post by jeliecrack on Jul 16, 2024 11:27:32 GMT 1
I certainly do, I could play the same game and say that the person saying it, is elderly white fairly well off in terms of own their own house have very few if any finacial worries and doesn't know any immigrants or coloured people.I would of course be makeing an assumption on someone I have never met, but that doesn't seem to be a problem.
Did you call them out on the subject?
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Post by mangetout on Jul 16, 2024 11:52:20 GMT 1
Yes I did call him out and tried to discuss the basis of his belief. I quoted some data from the Migration Observatory which is based at Oxford Uni, but he didn't want facts. He knew what he saw apparently. Tried to introduce the concept of selective reporting but I got nowhere. The issue of high numbers of refugees in his home town also came up. A quick search on the UK govt website showed that the number was actually 0.03% of the population. But that cut no ice. The problem is that more than 90% of the total number of immigrants last year were given visas to work, study, or for people from the likes of Ukraine. But it's the less than 10% who arrive without visa's which are focused on by the right wing press and people don't bother to delve into the stats.
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Post by jardiniere on Jul 16, 2024 12:14:36 GMT 1
That's interesting. Definitely stereotyping I would say. But also racist. Yes I did call him out and tried to discuss the basis of his belief . . . but he didn't want facts. That's the trouble. Most people with those sorts of views don't want facts. Look at all the Trump supporters. But then at the moment it seems like a lot of Biden supporters don't want facts either. |
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Post by mysty on Jul 16, 2024 12:33:09 GMT 1
It could also be based on the crime the op was discussing.
If it was another hacking or stabbing to death in London then it would have been a reasonable assumption that the person was not white.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jul 16, 2024 13:15:16 GMT 1
I think most of the white criminals lost their seats a couple of weeks ago?
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Post by mangetout on Jul 16, 2024 16:17:54 GMT 1
It could also be based on the crime the op was discussing. If it was another hacking or stabbing to death in London then it would have been a reasonable assumption that the person was not white. I hear what you say Mysty, but this person was saying that most crime was committed by blacks or migrants. And don't forget there are lots of stabbings carried out by white natives, both against other whites and blacks. Stephen Lawrence springs to mind. |
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Post by jeliecrack on Jul 16, 2024 16:42:00 GMT 1
Did he preface his statement with "I'm not racist but" that seems to be the get out clause of all racists.
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Post by mysty on Jul 16, 2024 16:45:14 GMT 1
I'm just messing with you MT of course you cannot blame immigrants or Christian for all the crimes that happen.
It's pretty universal these days.
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Post by mangetout on Jul 16, 2024 18:12:46 GMT 1
Sadly yes. Although I haven't looked at the stats on the level of crime. Could be that reporting is better?
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Post by cernunnos on Jul 17, 2024 8:12:02 GMT 1
Did he preface his statement with "I'm not racist but" that seems to be the get out clause of all racists. Most folk won't admit that they are " racist" , but everyone is , in one form or another. The word "racist" has changed to mean anti black/brown/yellow, I have been accused of being racist by the president of the local chasse because he assumed that because I didn't like hunters , I didn't like French people in general. I am racist , because I prefer my own type of person , but I have no preferences or prejudices against people of colour,politics or beliefs, so long as they accept mine , which is becoming more difficult in our multicultural society.
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Post by jeliecrack on Jul 17, 2024 8:48:34 GMT 1
I don't think multiculturalism is the problem , more the obsession the media has to find stories that pit people against each other.
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Post by Nifty on Jul 17, 2024 9:04:03 GMT 1
Yup.
Look to the top of the chain rather than the bottom.
while one is at it, it might be a good idea to take a look at oneself.
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Post by suein56 on Jul 17, 2024 9:45:37 GMT 1
I don't think multiculturalism is the problem , more the obsession the media has to find stories that pit people against each other. You've hit the nail on the head .. ever since the social media people such as Zuckerberg and Musk discovered negative opinions aired gave rise to many more posts (and more posts meant more advertising space sold) then slowly people's expressed opinions have been encouraged to become more and more aggressive. It's easy to be aggressive when hiding behind anonymity. Then the media of newspapers and tv news joined in with the creation of the likes of GB news. Sometimes it seems 'anything goes' to sell a story, increase comments and therefore revenue. |
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