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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 9:07:11 GMT 1
It’s that day again when the Orange Day parades take place. They didn’t officially take place last year due to Covid but apparently about 100 smaller marches have been announced this year.
I have never been to N Ireland or The Republic, I have no Irish relatives and no links to the country or province.
As a complète outsider I wonder if the increased tensions due to Brexit will make any difference to the marches and/ or to the attitudes of the people ?
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 12, 2021 10:23:52 GMT 1
Whatever is happening around Brexit is causing a rise in tension as the Protestant community feel threatened so, yes, it is inevitable that there will be a reaction to a very unsatisfactory situation. A more satisfactory solution could be found but it would need radical thinking and goodwill on both sides as well as from the EU.
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Post by hal on Jul 12, 2021 13:24:27 GMT 1
You have managed to combine two issues, both nonsensical, into one! marching and brexit!
Marching. What a stupid and childish thing. Old unionist men in NI trying to lord it over their republican neighbours. Nothing short of racism and should have been banned long ago. What a farce it is anyway - half wits strapping big drums to themselves and banging wildly out of beat. And look at them in their bowler hats all out of step!
Brexit. Now you claim brexit causing a tension rise in the Protestant community. Why Protestant, why not Catholic? Indeed, why any religion? OK, so the brexit thing has backfired on NI, it is a pity, but this was bound to happen with the stupidity of brexit, but let us not combine this stupidity with the absurdity of NI, which is the religious aspect.
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 12, 2021 13:46:30 GMT 1
Not a very useful reply; perhaps you might put forward some concrete proposals rather than slagging me off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 13:55:57 GMT 1
You have managed to combine two issues, both nonsensical, into one! marching and brexit! Marching. What a stupid and childish thing. Old unionist men in NI trying to lord it over their republican neighbours. Nothing short of racism and should have been banned long ago. What a farce it is anyway - half wits strapping big drums to themselves and banging wildly out of beat. And look at them in their bowler hats all out of step! Brexit. Now you claim brexit causing a tension rise in the Protestant community. Why Protestant, why not Catholic? Indeed, why any religion? OK, so the brexit thing has backfired on NI, it is a pity, but this was bound to happen with the stupidity of brexit, but let us not combine this stupidity with the absurdity of NI, which is the religious aspect. I’ve obviously got the wrong end of the stick. Are you saying tensions haven’t increased since Brexit ? |
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 12, 2021 14:12:53 GMT 1
Before Brexit I got the impression that Ulster and Eire were very slowly learning to trust each other and were gradually drawing together, albeit at a snails pace, particularly as prosperity in the South increased. But the Brexit solution with the EU has emphasised the differences again by seeming to be a weapon to separate Ulster from the UK. Hence the return of the marchers ( yes, unnecessary and idiotic) and maybe worse.
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Post by hal on Jul 12, 2021 14:45:24 GMT 1
I am not slagging you off as you put it, rather asking why is it that 'the Protestant community are threatened'. The other communities are not?
Sure tensions probably are rising, but coming out in all the orange regalia and stomping around the place is a way of showing discontent for anything brexit? I do not think so, just an excuse for some flat earthers to get back onto the bandwagon that many miss.
Do I have any concrete suggestions? No. Do I have any ideas? Yes, but not for publication!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 14:45:35 GMT 1
Before Brexit I got the impression that Ulster and Eire were very slowly learning to trust each other and were gradually drawing together, albeit at a snails pace, particularly as prosperity in the South increased. But the Brexit solution with the EU has emphasised the differences again by seeming to be a weapon to separate Ulster from the UK. Hence the return of the marchers ( yes, unnecessary and idiotic) and maybe worse. Indeed. Relations between North and South and between Unionist and Nationalist had reached an accommodation expressed most elegantly in the GFA. Then along came Brexit which reignited division because: A. The majority of the NI vote was to remain B. The UK Govt has decided to renege on its promise to NI that it would always be an integral part of UK until, under the GFA, the majority were opposed to its being part of UK. Then, in the blink of an eye, that statement became a lie and NI was involuntarily sequestered from the British economy. To say that some Unionists are scared by this is a huge understatement and like frightened people everywhere they are in a panic. This leads to violence and the circle is formed. The rather silly marching is a symptom, not a cause, of division and is purposefully confrontational. Since partition in 1921,throughout the years of institutional apartheid and even since notional universal suffrage in 1970 a divide exists, is exploited and is commemorated by the intransigent few. The real sadness is the loyalty of those in NI to a government and nation that cares not a shit about them other than their use as political pawns. I'm hoping to see reunification in my lifetime through mutual consent. Then again, I hope to win the lottery, live on a private island with Scarlett Johansen while finding the cure for cancer. Which is the more likely? |
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 12, 2021 15:55:12 GMT 1
In your list you forgot a Labour Government!🥸🙈🙉🙊
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 16:08:22 GMT 1
In your list you forgot a Labour Government!🥸🙈🙉🙊 No UK government of whatever stripe has been spectacularly successful in dealing with NI but it was a labour govt that got the GFA over the line. |
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Post by bubbles1 on Jul 12, 2021 19:04:46 GMT 1
The Orange marches also take place in Scotland and there is (used tob be) as much feeling up there as in Ireland.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 19:21:48 GMT 1
The Orange marches also take place in Scotland and there is (used tob be) as much feeling up there as in Ireland. True. Except that in Scotland it is simply sectarianism whereas in NI it extends to Nationalism against a display of entitlement and and religious autocracy. |
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