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Post by Nifty on Sept 16, 2021 12:50:11 GMT 1
I thought that you said it was unfounded.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 13:12:11 GMT 1
I thought that you said it was unfounded. You have lost me there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 14:10:30 GMT 1
The UK is no more racist than France and possibly less so. Who mentioned racism? The OP did. More to the point, who mentioned France. Is the suggestion that France is the racism benchmark? Less or equal to France, OK. More, big no no?
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Post by houpla on Sept 16, 2021 21:41:49 GMT 1
Not a benchmark, but as mentioned, it's probably easier to limit religious extremism in a secular country without appearing to favour any particular section of society?
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Post by lindalovely on Sept 17, 2021 15:59:15 GMT 1
Makes me realise that the French idea of state and church being separate and the state being secular is so much more sensible. The UK yet again being divided and held back by its dated constitution.
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Post by ibis on Sept 17, 2021 16:04:13 GMT 1
Makes me realise that the French idea of state and church being separate and the state being secular is so much more sensible. The UK yet again being divided and held back by its dated constitution. Yeah, it is an "idea". How many catholic holidays are there in France were the State is closed?
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Post by houpla on Sept 17, 2021 18:55:32 GMT 1
Oh come on......since when did the French let a little thing like laïcité get in the way of having a day (or three) off?
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Post by exile on Sept 17, 2021 18:57:56 GMT 1
Oh come on......since when did the French let a little thing like laïcité get in the way of having a day (or three) off? Three ? In my experience it is the whole sodding week if they can get away with it.
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Post by FFS on Sept 17, 2021 19:58:09 GMT 1
Oh come on......since when did the French let a little thing like laïcité get in the way of having a day (or three) off? Three ? In my experience it is the whole sodding week if they can get away with it. Unlike the UK, however, France doesn't shut between Christmas and the New Year, a classic example of combined religious and laïc tolerance. If 25 December falls on a Tuesday, I'm at work Monday, off Tuesday, then back at work from Wednesday to Friday, and possibly Saturday morning as well if the boss decides that's how he's going to claw back the time lost on the Tuesday.
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Post by houpla on Sept 17, 2021 20:46:11 GMT 1
Certainly not the case amongst the medical profession, though. The Christmas/New Year period is not the time to fall gravely ill, as 4 elderly people in my village discovered to their (terminal) cost in 2016. Whilst I have every sympathy for GPs and the long hours they work, round here they quite simply abandon their patients while they swan off on holiday. No remplacants, and the SAMU and pompiers can only cover so far..... Not the most encouraging aspect of living in rural France!
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Post by dilly on Sept 18, 2021 15:34:50 GMT 1
How many catholic holidays are there in France where the State is closed? "Catholic" holidays? I count 5 days: - Easter Monday. - Ascension day - a Thursday in May - Assumption day - 15th August - Toussaint - 1st November
- Christmas day
Whit Monday (Pentecôte) used to be a national holiday but the government asked workers to "donate" it for care for old people a few years ago. Some companies still close on Whit Monday but workers have to do extra hours to make up.
And another 5 "laïque" holidays.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 16:02:32 GMT 1
No Dashera? Hannukah? Eid?
Strikes me that, whether we admit it or not, the statutory holidays are governed solely by Christian precedent.
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Post by houpla on Sept 18, 2021 19:51:41 GMT 1
Isn't that as it should be in (even formerly) christian countries? Look at it in reverse....how many solely christian celebrations and customs are promoted in, say, Saudi Arabia? That's a genuine question too, by the way. I've no idea
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Post by dilly on Sept 18, 2021 20:16:41 GMT 1
I just looked it up. Curiously, four of the five Christian jours fériés were brought in during the years following the French Revolution - 1790s to 1800s. The law separating church and state took over a hundred years to wrangle - 1905 - and there are still quite a number of issues left over, including national holidays.
I seem to remember a socialist candidate, during the 2017 presidential election campaign, raising the question of changing a couple of the existing days to include Eid and Hannoukah. We might see this proposal resurface in the coming months.
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Post by exile on Sept 18, 2021 22:45:25 GMT 1
No Dashera? Hannukah? Eid? Strikes me that, whether we admit it or not, the statutory holidays are governed solely by Christian precedent. Yes but, no but, yes but. Easter is predicated by Passover. Thereby so is Ascension and Pentecost. Christmas is a hijack of Norse and other solstice festivities. Things are not always as black and white as they might seem.
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