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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 10:43:39 GMT 1
The Blairs, Tony and Cherie, have gone full Tory. |
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Post by ajm on Oct 4, 2021 10:56:31 GMT 1
The Blairs, Tony and Cherie, have gone full Tory. "Tory" -- another 4 letter word beginning with "t" I've always voted Conservative in the past --- never again! |
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Post by tim17 on Oct 4, 2021 11:19:06 GMT 1
I know it would politically embarrassing for Labour to be strong on this given Starmer wants to emulate Blair's success but this is another golden opportunity for them to pledge to close all tax avoidance loopholes which would be a vote winner. Blair has legally done nothing wrong of course but morally it stinks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 11:34:10 GMT 1
Blair has legally done nothing wrong of course but morally it stinks. 👍Morality. One British shortage that can't be blamed on Brexit. That went oot the windae with Thatcherism which, of course, Blair embraced. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 16:56:29 GMT 1
The Blairs, Tony and Cherie, have gone full Tory. "Tory" -- another 4 letter word beginning with "t" I've always voted Conservative in the past --- never again! wat? Good for you, though as stated elsewhere I think there is a gnats whisker between the main parties in terms of policy atm. I think I would go for greens - but not to the extent of sitting in the middle of a motorway  . Bliar has always been tory lite. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 17:34:26 GMT 1
Remember this?
This was 2015. So near.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 23:18:35 GMT 1
I think it’s the system, isn’t it ? I’d like to think I wouldn’t take advantage of all the regulations that might help me pay less tax, but I’m not sure I would.
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Post by exile on Oct 4, 2021 23:33:21 GMT 1
Tis a difficult one.
How many here have savings in a Livret A? Isn't that a way of minimising taxes? Where do we draw the line?
Generally some way above our own position I would suggest.
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Post by tim17 on Oct 5, 2021 7:17:07 GMT 1
I think there's a massive difference between having a Livret A or an ISA which are promoted and encouraged by the respective governments as a means of saving to setting up a company specifically to buy a house from another company thereby avoiding stamp duty which is what the Blairs did.
Having spent the whole of my working life pandering to the needs of the wealthy I am somewhat comforted by the fact that pretty much without exception they are not happy despite in many cases having what would be seen by the majority as 'idyllic' lives.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 8:34:06 GMT 1
Having spent the whole of my working life pandering to the needs of the wealthy I am somewhat comforted by the fact that pretty much without exception they are not happy despite in many cases having what would be seen by the majority as 'idyllic' lives.
I think the happy ones are probably people like Bill Gates, who think it's a good idea to give (some of it) it away, rather than the likes of Philip Green.
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Post by tim17 on Oct 5, 2021 8:43:53 GMT 1
I've always thought that you have to 'use' rather than merely 'accumulate' wealth whether that's done by giving it away or creating organisations that can help those less fortunate than yourself.
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Post by exile on Oct 5, 2021 8:53:22 GMT 1
I think there's a massive difference between having a Livret A or an ISA which are promoted and encouraged by the respective governments as a means of saving to setting up a company specifically to buy a house from another company thereby avoiding stamp duty which is what the Blairs did. Having spent the whole of my working life pandering to the needs of the wealthy I am somewhat comforted by the fact that pretty much without exception they are not happy despite in many cases having what would be seen by the majority as 'idyllic' lives. I think you missed where do you draw the line question. If a government promotes something then I am fully in line with your thinking. If a government does not prevent something or worse specifically says it will not do something to prevent a tax advantage being taken....... what then? |
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Post by tim17 on Oct 5, 2021 9:23:57 GMT 1
I think there's a massive difference between having a Livret A or an ISA which are promoted and encouraged by the respective governments as a means of saving to setting up a company specifically to buy a house from another company thereby avoiding stamp duty which is what the Blairs did. Having spent the whole of my working life pandering to the needs of the wealthy I am somewhat comforted by the fact that pretty much without exception they are not happy despite in many cases having what would be seen by the majority as 'idyllic' lives. I think you missed where do you draw the line question. If a government promotes something then I am fully in line with your thinking. If a government does not prevent something or worse specifically says it will not do something to prevent a tax advantage being taken....... what then? I'm not sure the general public appreciates how complex tax systems are above the basic income tax/national insurance level. Most governments try to close tax loopholes but to eradicate them all would require worldwide cooperation and that's never going to happen and is why you have 'tax havens' and the likes of Amazon etc pay eff all tax. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 11:40:11 GMT 1
I've always thought that you have to 'use' rather than merely 'accumulate' wealth whether that's done by giving it away or creating organisations that can help those less fortunate than yourself.
Great point.
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Post by Nifty on Oct 5, 2021 19:09:52 GMT 1
more inspiring stuff 500 years years ago
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