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Post by houpla on Jul 15, 2022 21:29:26 GMT 1
Are you having a dig? I wouldn't for a single moment blame my plants for anything. But I'd be interested to know how you plant for a region that has Saharan properties between May and October, with the odd chance of golf-ball sized hailstones, and incessant rain from November to March, with minus temps anything between 0°C and -17°C. Do pray tell, oh wise one.....
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Post by cernunnos on Jul 15, 2022 21:31:58 GMT 1
Dunno , how would you do that ? We don't have that problem . Do you ?
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Post by cernunnos on Jul 15, 2022 21:38:43 GMT 1
as a follow up ,
Sahara between May and October , naaaa If this is true , then water . -17 degrees celcius in the Winter , that has never been a problem before , so why is it now ?
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Post by jackie on Jul 15, 2022 22:28:32 GMT 1
Or even the plants that don't seem to realise that they've got to adapt to the brave new world? At a time when the buzzword chez les ecolos is bio-diversity, we're going to find ourselves more and more limited to growing drought-resistant plants that will stand being flooded in winter. There aren't many! Adaptation takes many years and won’t be seen in our lifetime, let alone over the course of a few years. Meanwhile we’re going to have to suffer the consequences of our actions which is destroying the current bio-diversity. Eventually a new bio-diversity will emerge but goodness knows what fate will have befallen us by then…
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Post by houpla on Jul 15, 2022 23:41:35 GMT 1
Dunno , how would you do that ? We don't have that problem . Do you ? Yes...that's why I asked how you'd go about 'adapting your habitudes'! What that means in practical terms here would be to plant 1ha of Eleagnus ebbingii, Nerium oleander, Phormium tenax, Cistus and Ophiopogon.
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Post by houpla on Jul 15, 2022 23:49:44 GMT 1
Or even the plants that don't seem to realise that they've got to adapt to the brave new world? At a time when the buzzword chez les ecolos is bio-diversity, we're going to find ourselves more and more limited to growing drought-resistant plants that will stand being flooded in winter. There aren't many! Adaptation takes many years and won’t be seen in our lifetime, let alone over the course of a few years. Meanwhile we’re going to have to suffer the consequences of our actions which is destroying the current bio-diversity. Eventually a new bio-diversity will emerge but goodness knows what fate will have befallen us by then… Now hang on just a minute.....I don't know what actions you're responsible for, but I'm pretty certain that I've not been a major contributor to destroying anything worse than the odd wasp's nest. Why are particuliers being held to account for a situation created by big business and governments the world over? Joe Public has been manipulated and brainwashed into an ever-increasing spiral of consumerism because that suited the people making obscene profits from it. Equally, big business is going to have to dramatically change it's methods if a real difference is to be made. They're the ones to hassle!
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Post by cernunnos on Jul 16, 2022 8:52:20 GMT 1
Dunno , how would you do that ? We don't have that problem . Do you ? Yes...that's why I asked how you'd go about 'adapting your habitudes'! What that means in practical terms here would be to plant 1ha of Eleagnus ebbingii, Nerium oleander, Phormium tenax, Cistus and Ophiopogon. why would planting semi-tropical plants help the environment ?
Adapting , would mean changing temperate edible plants to those that can handle higher temperatures and watering , as is/has been done for generations further south. Trees will die and those that can survive will survive , it is evolution , same with people. It's also no good planting the shrubs that you suggest , they don't like minus 17 !
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Post by cernunnos on Jul 16, 2022 8:55:49 GMT 1
Adaptation takes many years and won’t be seen in our lifetime, let alone over the course of a few years. Meanwhile we’re going to have to suffer the consequences of our actions which is destroying the current bio-diversity. Eventually a new bio-diversity will emerge but goodness knows what fate will have befallen us by then… Now hang on just a minute.....I don't know what actions you're responsible for, but I'm pretty certain that I've not been a major contributor to destroying anything worse than the odd wasp's nest. Why are particuliers being held to account for a situation created by big business and governments the world over? Joe Public has been manipulated and brainwashed into an ever-increasing spiral of consumerism because that suited the people making obscene profits from it. Equally, big business is going to have to dramatically change it's methods if a real difference is to be made. They're the ones to hassle! Read the rich countries . So you are not part of humanity ?
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Post by jackie on Jul 16, 2022 11:53:03 GMT 1
Adaptation takes many years and won’t be seen in our lifetime, let alone over the course of a few years. Meanwhile we’re going to have to suffer the consequences of our actions which is destroying the current bio-diversity. Eventually a new bio-diversity will emerge but goodness knows what fate will have befallen us by then… Now hang on just a minute.....I don't know what actions you're responsible for, but I'm pretty certain that I've not been a major contributor to destroying anything worse than the odd wasp's nest. Why are particuliers being held to account for a situation created by big business and governments the world over? Joe Public has been manipulated and brainwashed into an ever-increasing spiral of consumerism because that suited the people making obscene profits from it. Equally, big business is going to have to dramatically change it's methods if a real difference is to be made. They're the ones to hassle! I’m afraid that just by existing in the developed world we have played our part in man-made climate change and environmental degradation. Yes, the whole Capitalist system is at fault but like it or not we are all caught up in it even if you don’t go around deliberately destroying nature.
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Post by houpla on Jul 16, 2022 13:31:40 GMT 1
Yes...that's why I asked how you'd go about 'adapting your habitudes'! What that means in practical terms here would be to plant 1ha of Eleagnus ebbingii, Nerium oleander, Phormium tenax, Cistus and Ophiopogon. why would planting semi-tropical plants help the environment ?
Adapting , would mean changing temperate edible plants to those that can handle higher temperatures and watering , as is/has been done for generations further south. Trees will die and those that can survive will survive , it is evolution , same with people. It's also no good planting the shrubs that you suggest , they don't like minus 17 !
We're obviously discussing at cross purposes, here. I'm not looking to save the planet, just feed me and mine and grow an interesting range of ornamental plants. I do my best to provide conditions that will suit a wide range of plants rather than taking the easy option of only growing what will thrive without extra care. All the plants mentioned came through 10 days of -12°C / -17°C perfectly well. Probably due to the metre of snow on the ground
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Post by houpla on Jul 16, 2022 13:41:11 GMT 1
Now hang on just a minute.....I don't know what actions you're responsible for, but I'm pretty certain that I've not been a major contributor to destroying anything worse than the odd wasp's nest. Why are particuliers being held to account for a situation created by big business and governments the world over? Joe Public has been manipulated and brainwashed into an ever-increasing spiral of consumerism because that suited the people making obscene profits from it. Equally, big business is going to have to dramatically change it's methods if a real difference is to be made. They're the ones to hassle! I’m afraid that just by existing in the developed world we have played our part in man-made climate change and environmental degradation. Yes, the whole Capitalist system is at fault but like it or not we are all caught up in it even if you don’t go around deliberately destroying nature. Quite true, so the options are to stop existing, to spend one's time in a permanent state of guilt and doom-mongering or to just get on with life, consuming the least possible amount of manufactured goods and focussing on the positive aspects of life What I will own up to is a lamentable ignorance of the extremes of the climate in SW France, before moving here, and the naïve belief that I could make a similar garden here as in the UK, but with bells and whistles
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Post by cernunnos on Jul 16, 2022 21:55:44 GMT 1
but surely you " checked it out " before you moved? I moved to this location more than 30 years ago due to the " cadre" plus the trees and water. I have not changed, the climate has. The climate catastrophe is inevitable , look around at what the human race are doing ( forget the Tory party) we have no guilt , just a lot of sympathy
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Post by houpla on Jul 16, 2022 22:30:14 GMT 1
Oh yes, the research was meticulous! But the final decision wasn't down to me. And quite....the extremes have become more extreme over the last 15 years. I most certainly will not depress myself by watching/wallowing in la folie humaine. But again, it's not the poor ****s in Africa, Asia and S.America trying to survive in increasingly hostile environments that are responsible for the apocalyptic downslide. It's the profiteering governments and carpetbaggers. Who's going to bring them to account?
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Post by houpla on Jul 16, 2022 22:43:16 GMT 1
Sums it up fairly well
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Post by cernunnos on Jul 17, 2022 8:23:43 GMT 1
Yup , all busy with " other things" as the world burns . So we will continue to raise our veg and stay cool without AC.
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