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Post by Polarengineer on Oct 24, 2021 6:47:07 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10123789/MARY-HARRINGTON-Resist-Covid-restrictions-sake-young-sacrificed-much.htmlthe above link is headlined by a photo of three NHS nurses concerned about the condition of a computer. I see this more and more instances where many staff are in front of these screens and not in front of the sick people. Does anyone here have any idea why the computer has the priority? I am assuming the top heavy management are finding ways to keep staff busy. However, I do understand that a lot of scans and diagnostics are done digitally (instead of using one digits). Similarly, any shopping experience now involves waiting for the assistant to adjust stock control and do the accounts before finalising a purchase. I believe it is not the computer a fault, but those idiots programming them and not using them in the best way to benifit mankind. Is there a doctorate in computer/reality interface?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 7:08:28 GMT 1
You were infront of a computer to post this thread. If you had posted a letter via La Poste to ask the question it would have taken longer. Computers and the Internet speed almost everything up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 8:07:20 GMT 1
Because the majority of patients notes,prescription charts, observations are on computer nowadays.Remote monitoring of ECGs etc. However there is another extremely good reason for showing medical staff ,nurses etc in front of a computer. You don’t have to get a computers consent to show its picture
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Post by ForumUser2 on Oct 24, 2021 8:55:21 GMT 1
In the days of hand-written records clinical staff faced several difficulties such as lost records, illegible handwriting, slow transmission of vital information, incomplete histories and so forth. Add to that the efficiencies of digital appointment programs and I posit that digitised management aids patient care more profoundly than you might imagine.
As a simple example, I had both my Covid jabs at a sports arena in Boston, both booked online using my NHS number. The date and batch number of each is now part of my digital record from which I can get a Covid pass. Then when my booster is due an invitation will be automatically generated. Imagine that system working with pen and paper!
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Post by sprocket on Oct 24, 2021 10:00:02 GMT 1
I am fascinated at the concept of a supermarket checkout that works for the "benefit of mankind", whatever would one of those do?
A computer which has no thoughts can only do what it is told. Polarengineer says "I believe it is not the computer a fault", it never is. The software maybe, or a component can fail, but a computer at fault?
"those idiots programming them" are highly skilled, highly paid experts who are given a specification and create software (program) to achieve the end result. The biggest problem comes in particular with large organisations like the NHS or government departments who continually change their minds and ask for "could we just change this" or "just add this" until the software becomes unusable and the original concept is lost.
It is probably different in USA but a doctorate (phd/d.phil) is a university awarded degree usually based on a research project taking several years. So yes there are many doctorates gained around the research into HCI (human/computer interface). There were several modules contained within my own BSc degree.
Incidentally it was Rank Xerox which developed the interface we use on Macs and windows, dropping it to concentrate on photocopiers. IBM made their first pc from spares laying around and could not conceive that anyone would want one, three would be enough for the world. There is far, far more power in a mobile phone than took Neil Armstrong to the moon and back.
Bit of a lecture sorry, you can tell what I used to do.
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Post by Polarengineer on Oct 24, 2021 10:23:53 GMT 1
Spocket, I really believe in my signature statement. I once knew a professor in comunications from Delft university who said that when designing systems and software, one should be sure that the old widow in Appleschaar can use it easily. (Appleschaar is a remote Dutch border village which may have been the last place to get a telephone connection)
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Post by Aardvark on Oct 24, 2021 12:40:03 GMT 1
Spocket, I really believe in my signature statement. I once knew a professor in comunications from Delft university who said that when designing systems and software, one should be sure that the old widow in Appleschaar can use it easily. (Appleschaar is a remote Dutch border village which may have been the last place to get a telephone connection) The root problem is that the people who design all this techno stuff assume the end user has the same level of understanding. How many people have admitted owning a video tape recorder for years without ever learning how to program it for a timed recording. Young people today might look at all the controls on my stereo amplifier and say "where do I start?". But each knob and button has a label so anyone can work it out. I look at some complicated piece of kit today that has only two or three buttons and say "where do I start?". I maintain that using one button to step through numerous options and another to alter the option and yet another to "save" an option does not come naturally. And, as often as not, None of the buttons are labelled. Anyone seen the dash of a late high end electric car? Instead of several knobs or buttons spread around in various places that you eventually memorise and can identify without taking your eyes off the road ahead you have a single large screen. A touch pad screen with menus. I defy anyone to find what they want without looking at it. Equipment today is largely lacking in "instinctively simple" controls. Everything is designed to be more and more clever and with that, controls get more complicated.
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Post by sprocket on Oct 24, 2021 13:41:08 GMT 1
Spocket, I really believe in my signature statement. I once knew a professor in comunications from Delft university who said that when designing systems and software, one should be sure that the old widow in Appleschaar can use it easily. (Appleschaar is a remote Dutch border village which may have been the last place to get a telephone connection) I quite agree, but is that anything to do with your opening post? I have no doubt you also know Douglas took up computers very early on and was surrounded by them in his latter years. He said he couldn't carry on without them. Aardvark, do at least try. Todays children cannot read an analogue watch and it doesn't have numbers on the dial they don't know what it is. They also don't know how to use a dial on an analogue telephone. Both of those I suspect you would call instinctive but they are learned. Video recorders in the day were programmed by the children or grandchildren when the parents were stuck. That was instinctive for children. Thank goodness the days of the vcr are over. So how do you now record a tv program now? Why would the upcoming generation want a stereo amplifier or learn what all the knobs are for? They can simply download an mp3 player to their ipad or play through their phones into ear pods. They can download a graphic equaliser and outperform you. Did you never have a driving lesson, nor pass a driving test? Did you instictively know how to drive? My point all of this is learned, not instinctive. As you age learning becomes more difficult, just get to grips with it, its not so difficult. The future is for our children and grandchildren.
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Post by Polarengineer on Oct 24, 2021 15:57:28 GMT 1
Well sprocket, my OP did mention the idiot programmers (who dare to use the title of engineer). And I think most of us have suffered their stupid sense of logic. Examples- inconsistent date masks on online forms. Updated websites not compatible with older OS. Cookie pop-ups that refuse to go away. Adverts that reboot the website. As for being too old to learn these systems, how come when there is a problem with some programme, there is a thousand pages and forum suggestions to rectify the problem. So many people with the same difficulties. Even the major OS,s constantly update because problems and improvements, I know working to tight schedules leaves a few mistakes, but if I issued a machine that did not work entirely correctly, I would soon be off the market. There was mention of nurses working with paper before the advent of the computer, but what mistakes are now happening in the NHS due to simple autocorrect. Smashing idea, no need to teach spelling. Why not flash the autocorrected word until it is accepted instead of just secretly changing things.
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Post by sprocket on Oct 24, 2021 16:47:34 GMT 1
if I issued a machine that did not work entirely correctly, I would soon be off the market. I can think of plenty of cars that have been recalled, bridges that have collapsed, ships that have sunk, mines that have caved in, weapons that have failed not to mention planned obsolecence all designed by engineers I suspect. Oh and I collect clockwork clocks. Very few keep the right time. You seem to be confusing yourself. Websites are not programs. They are not written by programmers. They are written with a script not a program that uses HTML, a language that anyone, even you, could use if pointed in the right direction. I fear that you cannot conceive how big an os like windows is unlike anything the engineering world has undertaken. You work on a single project with a soecified conclusion. As I mentioned before in computing terms nothing stands still, it has to evolve and be all things to all men. As reqirements change the os needs updating, when it is sabotaged by hackers it needs patching. Software engineers are not programmers nor are web designers or developers. I have no idea what your comment about autocorrect is. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I appreciate that the web and it's poor websites can be very frustrating but please don't assume a website is managing your bank account , sitting behind the supermarket checkout nor indeed running the NHS.
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Post by Aardvark on Oct 24, 2021 18:06:10 GMT 1
Spocket, I really believe in my signature statement. I once knew a professor in comunications from Delft university who said that when designing systems and software, one should be sure that the old widow in Appleschaar can use it easily. (Appleschaar is a remote Dutch border village which may have been the last place to get a telephone connection) I quite agree, but is that anything to do with your opening post? I have no doubt you also know Douglas took up computers very early on and was surrounded by them in his latter years. He said he couldn't carry on without them. Aardvark, do at least try. Todays children cannot read an analogue watch and it doesn't have numbers on the dial they don't know what it is. They also don't know how to use a dial on an analogue telephone. Both of those I suspect you would call instinctive but they are learned. Video recorders in the day were programmed by the children or grandchildren when the parents were stuck. That was instinctive for children. Thank goodness the days of the vcr are over. So how do you now record a tv program now? Why would the upcoming generation want a stereo amplifier or learn what all the knobs are for? They can simply download an mp3 player to their ipad or play through their phones into ear pods. They can download a graphic equaliser and outperform you. Did you never have a driving lesson, nor pass a driving test? Did you instictively know how to drive?My point all of this is learned, not instinctive. As you age learning becomes more difficult, just get to grips with it, its not so difficult. The future is for our children and grandchildren. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Strange as it may seem, the upcoming generation are taking an interest in music that you can own in a physical medium, and not just rent access to with a monthy membership price. If you hadn't noticed, increasing numbers of recent popular artists are releasing their music on CD and even Vinyl. Shock! Horror! Demand for both formats has long since fallen to its lowest point and today there is a huge backlog of orders for them. Shortages due to lack of necessary pressing and mastering skills and even the raw vinyl itself. And they are taking an interest in how good music can sound when played through good equipment and speakers larger than a fag packet. I concede that MP3 and the other digital file formats are convenient for casual background noise and perhaps for carrying a large collection out to play on a decent car system, but if you want to "hear" and "feel" like you are in front of the band, you need to ditch the high tech, minimal, throwaway pocket sized kit and try a proper music experience. And I challenge your assertion that downloading a graphic equaliser could outperform mine or anyone else's system for that matter. Their purpose is to make up for poorly designed amplification and/or speakers, and to boost and alter the sound to suit a user's personal taste or hearing issues. As regards driving lessons, I never had a single one. I was given a pedal car one Xmas and instinctively worked out how to use it. At around the age of 14 I was "borrowing" my grandmother's car and driving it on the back roads. At 15.5 I had a Provisional and at 16 a full license.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Oct 24, 2021 19:51:56 GMT 1
Even better: wax discs and a wind-up gramophone. You crazy techies with your amplifiers and stylii - you need to get back to real music.
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Post by sprocket on Oct 25, 2021 8:51:01 GMT 1
As regards driving lessons, I never had a single one. I was given a pedal car one Xmas and instinctively worked out how to use it. At around the age of 14 I was "borrowing" my grandmother's car and driving it on the back roads. At 15.5 I had a Provisional and at 16 a full license. Were you in the UK at the time and if so did you get your licence during WW2 or Suez? Just interested when you could have a provisional at 15.5 and a test at 16. I am only aware of conditions in UK. I passed my test at the legal age of 17years and 2 months after 3 lessons with a qualified instructor so break the habit of keeping my hand on the gearstick and my elbow resting on the window ledge having "learned to drive" with my ever patient father. I still maintain even if self taught you had to learn how to drive and to learn to use any new technology. One more incidental cd's are still digital. like mp3, and top and bottom is cut off. I really hate wow and flutter with vinyl and I doubt many young would want or need to buy a deck which can eliminate it. All a bit off the op topic sorry.
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