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Post by mangetout on Nov 8, 2021 13:11:10 GMT 1
When you renew your passport any time remaining on the old one is lost. This change was slipped in under the radar in Sept 2019 by the UK government, without consultation or forewarning.
I listened with utter amazement this morning when Kay Burley interviewed someone who claimed that the EU were responsible for this loss, as they were unwilling to recognise the lost time as valid on new passports. Yet another attack on the EU which is total lie. Surely Sky News has some responsibility for fact checking before they promulgate such bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 13:29:19 GMT 1
Sky? Murdoch? Responsibility? Good luck.
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Post by plog on Nov 8, 2021 13:38:02 GMT 1
When you renew your passport any time remaining on the old one is lost. This change was slipped in under the radar in Sept 2019 by the UK government, without consultation or forewarning. I listened with utter amazement this morning when Kay Burley interviewed someone who claimed that the EU were responsible for this loss, as they were unwilling to recognise the lost time as valid on new passports. Yet another attack on the EU which is total lie. Surely Sky News has some responsibility for fact checking before they promulgate such bollocks. The UK stopped adding time remaining on the old passport to the validity of the new one.. OTOH and as I understand it the EU adopted a policy of only allowing a passport to be valid for ten years from it’s date of issue, plus, and I may be wrong on this, they now need 6 months validity remaining when you enter the EU, a fairly common requirement worldwide and down to the UK adopting third country status.
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Post by beejay on Nov 8, 2021 14:33:14 GMT 1
When you renew your passport any time remaining on the old one is lost. This change was slipped in under the radar in Sept 2019 by the UK government, without consultation or forewarning. I listened with utter amazement this morning when Kay Burley interviewed someone who claimed that the EU were responsible for this loss, as they were unwilling to recognise the lost time as valid on new passports. Yet another attack on the EU which is total lie. Surely Sky News has some responsibility for fact checking before they promulgate such bollocks.
But which lost time, that when passports exceeded 10 year validity or that which is lost by renewing before the passport expires?
Although renewal now based on the date of application renewal can take place after the previous passport has expired to obtain the full 10 year validity.
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Post by plog on Nov 8, 2021 15:11:55 GMT 1
Well yes, you can of course still delay until the old ppt has expired to maximize it’s validity but that’s a backwards step from what was available previously and might seriously complicate some people’s travel arrangements.
That particular change did look like a fairly thinly disguised attempt to increase the frequency by which some will have to renew theirs ppts which would of no doubt will be of benefit to the UK treasury.
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Post by exile on Nov 8, 2021 16:08:31 GMT 1
When you renew your passport any time remaining on the old one is lost. This change was slipped in under the radar in Sept 2019 by the UK government, without consultation or forewarning. I listened with utter amazement this morning when Kay Burley interviewed someone who claimed that the EU were responsible for this loss, as they were unwilling to recognise the lost time as valid on new passports. Yet another attack on the EU which is total lie. Surely Sky News has some responsibility for fact checking before they promulgate such bollocks.
But which lost time, that when passports exceeded 10 year validity or that which is lost by renewing before the passport expires?
Although renewal now based on the date of application renewal can take place after the previous passport has expired to obtain the full 10 year validity.
That of course is not an option for anyone who (has to) travels frequently as I did before retirement. Most countries demand a 6 month validity before you are allowed to enter so a passport has an effective validity of nine and a half years. AS to the original point Mangetout, it was indeed an EU decision that the UK signed up to while still a member of the EU and which came into effect during the transition period during which the UK agreed to abide by EU rules. So I think Sky are correct in their assessment in this case. Of course the UK can now rescind that rule, but the EU will only recognise the 10 years of validity of the passport from the date of issue - even if the passport has ten and three quarter years of validity on it (I think the maximum that was possible). Of course that 10 years of validity included the six months that has to be in place to be allowed to enter.
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Post by beejay on Nov 9, 2021 13:06:33 GMT 1
But which lost time, that when passports exceeded 10 year validity or that which is lost by renewing before the passport expires?
Although renewal now based on the date of application renewal can take place after the previous passport has expired to obtain the full 10 year validity.
That of course is not an option for anyone who (has to) travels frequently as I did before retirement. Most countries demand a 6 month validity before you are allowed to enter so a passport has an effective validity of nine and a half years. AS to the original point Mangetout, it was indeed an EU decision that the UK signed up to while still a member of the EU and which came into effect during the transition period during which the UK agreed to abide by EU rules. So I think Sky are correct in their assessment in this case. Of course the UK can now rescind that rule, but the EU will only recognise the 10 years of validity of the passport from the date of issue - even if the passport has ten and three quarter years of validity on it (I think the maximum that was possible). Of course that 10 years of validity included the six months that has to be in place to be allowed to enter.
Isn't the frequent traveller about to become extinct?
Is 10 year validity an international standard which the UK perverted by renewing with the unexpired time added to the 10 years? When did this begin and for what reason?
Passport 'validity' may not only be reduced to 9½ years but in addition the time lost by renewing before the expiry date to ensure continuity and the need for the expiring passport to sent with renewal applications which can take several weeks.
Time involved = no more than previous renewals. Cost involved = £6 month lost?
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Post by exile on Nov 9, 2021 13:18:42 GMT 1
Frequent travel may well reduce (but personally I expect that within 2 years the levels will be close to those in 2018) but there are many jobs that cannot be done over the internet. Try fixing a broken machine, doing an insurance or safety inspection etc..
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Post by plog on Nov 9, 2021 21:15:06 GMT 1
Frequent travel may well reduce (but personally I expect that within 2 years the levels will be close to those in 2018) but there are many jobs that cannot be done over the internet. Try fixing a broken machine, doing an insurance or safety inspection etc.. Agreed, Zoom, Teams (?) isn’t about to replace everything…. When I was in the flying the frequent travelers around line of work it was interesting how many passengers were not bankers, administrators or execs….we used to fly a heck of a lot of people around who really were in hands on roles in whatever company was paying for their travel.
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Post by Nifty on Nov 19, 2021 5:15:30 GMT 1
When you renew your passport any time remaining on the old one is lost. This change was slipped in under the radar in Sept 2019 by the UK government, without consultation or forewarning. I listened with utter amazement this morning when Kay Burley interviewed someone who claimed that the EU were responsible for this loss, as they were unwilling to recognise the lost time as valid on new passports. Yet another attack on the EU which is total lie. Surely Sky News has some responsibility for fact checking before they promulgate such bollocks. The UK stopped adding time remaining on the old passport to the validity of the new one.. OTOH and as I understand it the EU adopted a policy of only allowing a passport to be valid for ten years from it’s date of issue, plus, and I may be wrong on this, they now need 6 months validity remaining when you enter the EU, a fairly common requirement worldwide and down to the UK adopting third country status. In a bid for third world status….
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Post by Polarengineer on Nov 19, 2021 7:16:19 GMT 1
Frequent travel may well reduce (but personally I expect that within 2 years the levels will be close to those in 2018) but there are many jobs that cannot be done over the internet. Try fixing a broken machine, doing an insurance or safety inspection etc.. Agreed, Zoom, Teams (?) isn’t about to replace everything…. When I was in the flying the frequent travelers around line of work it was interesting how many passengers were not bankers, administrators or execs….we used to fly a heck of a lot of people around who really were in hands on roles in whatever company was paying for their travel. Yeah, but those w-bankers and ex-zecs travelled in their own private jets or private charter. Surely you don't imagine them travelling with the likes of us oiks.
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Post by plog on Nov 19, 2021 17:00:41 GMT 1
Yeah, but those w-bankers and ex-zecs travelled in their own private jets or private charter. Surely you don't imagine them travelling with the likes of us oiks. I don’t want to do a version of “you won’t believe who I had in my cab last week” but on the right routes where timings and airports fitted with their travel plans the utterly utterly loaded and/or connected often did travel commercial scheduled, albeit right up the front… We certainly used to get more than our fair share of major major Hollywood movers and shakers and A plus listers on flights between London and Los Angeles, and the bankers+ and execs+ on the London >New York or Washington. It apparently wasn’t and still isn’t that unusual to see some major F1 stars on flights between the UK and Nice, even some of the one’s that have a stake in their own Gulfstream..or in one case Gulfstreams.. Prior to Covid exec jets tended to be used in the main if Mr/Mrs big wanted to go direct from say Aberdeen to Aspen or they were really publicity shy…I know things have changed in the last two years as Covid has massively reduced scheduled international services so it will be interesting to see how they travel as/if scheduled services return to something like normal frequency… Edit to add that BTW I’ve just noticed your footer so l’ll relent and allow myself one “who I had in my cab last week” story” : once upon a time on a flight to LA we pilots noticed on the passenger list a Mr D Adams was traveling with us…..we rang one of the Cabin Crew working that part of the cabin: “That Mr. D Adams in your cabin, is that Douglas Adams the writer”? ”Err, who”? “The bloke who wrote ‘a Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy”? ”Err, What’s that”?….. (It actually was him…after we got off we spotted him sat in some seats just prior to immigration, chilled out, reading a book, presumably waiting for the queues to subside..sadly it was only a month or two before his death)
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