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Post by lapourtaider on Nov 25, 2021 12:33:53 GMT 1
Where did you get the 25k refugee figure from please ? I heard on Radio 4 this morning that only 3% of refugees come to the UK and then seek asylum, they could not give a figure for the number who are here illegally. Read it in the paper a few days ago. And it's the figure given on the news the last couple of days for the number that have managed to safely cross this year.
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Post by exile on Nov 25, 2021 13:10:31 GMT 1
25k is the number who have crossed the Channel in boats this year. As FU2 says the number has recently been in the media.
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Post by FFS on Nov 25, 2021 21:06:39 GMT 1
You made an excellent suggestion on another forum, exile : Has this ever been mooted, anywhere? If not, it ought to be. Relatively simple to set up and manage.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 25, 2021 21:48:15 GMT 1
France processes asylum claims although they prefer to facilitate travel to Calais, Dunkerque, Boulogne etc.
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Post by exile on Nov 25, 2021 22:08:13 GMT 1
You made an excellent suggestion on another forum, exile : Has this ever been mooted, anywhere? If not, it ought to be. Relatively simple to set up and manage. I cannot claim originality. The Refugee organisations and Red Cross have said as much for years. Yes it's simple. Yes it's quick. It would be relatively cheap compared with holding refugees in camps in the UK. And for all those reasons the UK has not done it. pcpa the French can only process refugees wanting to establish residency in France. They can do nothing for those wanting/needing to travel to other countries.
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Post by JohnnyD on Nov 25, 2021 22:21:55 GMT 1
There were many social media comments today celebrating the deaths of those who perished yesterday, I really do despair at what this country has become......
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Post by pcpa on Nov 25, 2021 22:54:19 GMT 1
pcpa the French can only process refugees wanting to establish residency in France. They can do nothing for those wanting/needing to travel to other countries. Yes I realise that but when you said "the only way they can claim asylum" you did not specify from the UK.
Are asylum seekers not supposed to seek asylum from the first safe or EU country? is it not asylum from (a dangerous situation) rather than asylum to (a preferential situation)?
Given that the Sangatte refugee centre was closed after continual pressure from the UK government of the day against the wishes of the French government I cant see asylum processing centres being established on French soil, if it were to happen surely it would be more humanitarian to have them at the EU borders or anywhere in the EU with the claimants being transported there from the border crossings, that would keep them out of the clutches of the passeurs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 23:20:41 GMT 1
Call me a pedant but the victims of the tragedy in the Channel hadn't landed in England so as far as the UK is concerned they were neither illegal immigrants nor asylum seekers. They were people. Regardless, they're 100% deserving of our sympathy.
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Post by exile on Nov 25, 2021 23:29:20 GMT 1
pcpa the French can only process refugees wanting to establish residency in France. They can do nothing for those wanting/needing to travel to other countries. Yes I realise that but when you said "the only way they can claim asylum" you did not specify from the UK.
That is because my response on another forum was to a question about what to do regarding stopping another tragedy while crossing to the UK. While my response was quite coherent and clear against that question, once lifted and reproduced here a bit of the context was lost.
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Post by exile on Nov 25, 2021 23:40:37 GMT 1
pcpa the French can only process refugees wanting to establish residency in France. They can do nothing for those wanting/needing to travel to other countries.
Are asylum seekers not supposed to seek asylum from the first safe or EU country? is it not asylum from (a dangerous situation) rather than asylum to (a preferential situation)?
I am not fully au fait with all of the legalities but my understanding is that under international law a refugee can claim asylum in any country they chose. It was the EU that decided it should be claimed in the first EU country that they reached - a policy that has rapidly shown itself to be unworkable with the heavy demands placed on countries such as Greece and Italy. It was fine as long as there were just a few refugees getting in on false documents on a plane or in the back of a truck. It fell over when hundreds per day were in motorised dinghies taking the shortest practical sea route.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 25, 2021 23:49:56 GMT 1
Thanks for the explanations, interesting regarding the EU and international law. 25k crossing in boats amongst the 37K who sought asylum up to September, there will be more that didn't seek asylum. How many seek and/or are granted asylum in France each year?
Editted, the answer that I found was for 2020 France granted asylum to 436000 people and the UK 132000
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Post by pcpa on Nov 26, 2021 0:01:24 GMT 1
Why is everyone buying in to the fallacy that all these asylum seekers want to go to UK? Of the millions of refugees only 25k have come to UK, the lowest figure for any major European nation. Yet, with typical national narcissism, the government, press and much of the population think that everyone wants to reach their promised land Yes, the people who drown crossing the Channel are part of a greater tragedy but only a small part. Perspective seems to have disappeared.
132000 were granted asylum in the UK in 2020, I don't know how many more were refused or how many more arrive and get on with their lives without seeking asylum, considerably more I think but I dont reckon that your statement of only 25K have come to the UK out of the millions can be correct.
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Post by crabtree on Nov 26, 2021 17:31:46 GMT 1
It is simple really, do away with the Le Touquet agreement, then all UK customs and immigration will be done on UK soil, not French. The refugees can then travel legitimately by ferry to the UK, providing they have a valid passport, and they can be processed there.
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Post by woolybanana on Nov 26, 2021 20:42:50 GMT 1
So France simply becomes a transit for unknown numbers of people, genuine asylum seekers, scroungers, illegals or just chancers?
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Post by FFS on Nov 26, 2021 21:03:13 GMT 1
Boris Johnson has asked, on Twitter, that France takes back those who've crossed the Channel. As a result of this outstanding piece of international diplomacy idiocy, France has withdrawn Priti Patel's invitation to a meeting on Sunday to discuss the situation.
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