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Post by Seaboots on Dec 4, 2021 12:25:05 GMT 1
Apparently publicly harassing a women by wolf whistling or lewd comments etc towards women in public will be outlawed in the UK next week. Quite right too of course but I thought such laws already existed ? I wonder how far the law will go towards protecting women ? What if anything will now be allowed ? Will some women use it as a tool to get men unfairly arrested for example ? The principle is very good and very welcome but could the whole possible eventual ‘he said, she said’ scenario make the law unworkable ?
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Post by Aardvark on Dec 4, 2021 17:54:34 GMT 1
Such laws are only window dressing to make it look like the powers that be actually care. The laws and any related penalties will make no difference at all if there is not the will, nor sufficient police numbers to enforce them. Simply look at the number of rape allegations that are pretty much ignored and never stand a chance of getting into court. Lots of laws these days are a joke if there is no follow up after a reported incident.
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Post by Seaboots on Dec 4, 2021 18:32:34 GMT 1
Such laws are only window dressing to make it look like the powers that be actually care. The laws and any related penalties will make no difference at all if there is not the will, nor sufficient police numbers to enforce them. Simply look at the number of rape allegations that are pretty much ignored and never stand a chance of getting into court. Lots of laws these days are a joke if there is no follow up after a reported incident. That is the problem a/v, the current rape laws do very little to help women when you see the pitifully poor conviction rates. I don’t know what the answer is, I wish I did.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 4, 2021 18:58:18 GMT 1
It says a lot about the moral vacuity of a country that needs to enact laws that are specifically designed to give women protection from harassment.
Perhaps it behoves all of us to call out misogynists for what they are and exclude them by peer pressure rather than barely enforced legislation?
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Post by houpla on Dec 5, 2021 10:25:03 GMT 1
And not just the UK. The increase in reported incidences of domestic violence and abuse in France is scary. A law was passed some years ago making verbal abuse a crime. What a sick joke! Just how does a woman go about proving that? I know from the experiences of friends here that even obvious physical abuse is shrugged off by the gendarmes, until 'serious' harm is done, and there are witnesses willing to testify. Fortunately, there are an increasing number of supportive associations, but they can only intervene after the harm is done.
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Post by hal on Dec 5, 2021 11:40:18 GMT 1
It says a lot about the moral vacuity of a country that needs to enact laws that are specifically designed to give women protection from harassment. Perhaps it behoves all of us to call out misogynists for what they are and exclude them by peer pressure rather than barely enforced legislation? I totally agree! I am not comfortable in where we are now. My issue is that not so long ago, I would not think twice on complimenting a woman on her appearance, but I dare not do it now for fear of being slapped down by a peer or worse, invoking the Me-Too wrath...let alone breaking any law. At school all those years ago, how we were taught walking on the pavement to doff our caps, slightly bow our head and walk around the outside of an approaching woman!
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Post by ibis on Dec 5, 2021 11:46:12 GMT 1
Soon we will not be able to turn our heads to look at a nice one in passing...
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Post by Seaboots on Dec 5, 2021 12:55:58 GMT 1
Soon we will not be able to turn our heads to look at a nice one in passing... Hopefully those days will never come….
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 5, 2021 13:10:14 GMT 1
Soon we will not be able to turn our heads to look at a nice one in passing... The action needs to be hostile, threatening or intended to cause distress. If it's none of those then you're fine.
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Post by Seaboots on Dec 5, 2021 14:44:19 GMT 1
Soon we will not be able to turn our heads to look at a nice one in passing... The action needs to be hostile, threatening or intended to cause distress. If it's none of those then you're fine. This is what The Guardian said FU2. ‘Making lewd comments, pressing against someone in a sexual way on public transport, cornering someone, catcalling and persistent sexual propositioning could all be covered by the changes to the law if they are brought in.’
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 5, 2021 15:42:23 GMT 1
The action needs to be hostile, threatening or intended to cause distress. If it's none of those then you're fine. This is what The Guardian said FU2. ‘Making lewd comments, pressing against someone in a sexual way on public transport, cornering someone, catcalling and persistent sexual propositioning could all be covered by the changes to the law if they are brought in.’ Those situations seem hostile, threatening or intended to cause distress.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 15:46:49 GMT 1
Basically section 5 public order aco
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 5, 2021 15:49:14 GMT 1
Basically section 5 public order aco Yes but with the intention of defining behaviours specifically aimed at threatening, belittling or offending women.
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Post by Seaboots on Dec 5, 2021 15:54:11 GMT 1
Basically section 5 public order aco Yes but with the intention of defining behaviours specifically aimed at threatening, belittling or offending women. Sois a wolf whistle or a lewd comment in passing deemed as ‘threatening’ ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 16:20:13 GMT 1
Read FU 2 response
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