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Post by FFS on Jan 5, 2022 21:28:18 GMT 1
It works better in French: "Les non-vaccinés, j'ai très envie de les emmerder". Taken out of context, it's more damaging than it could be, but I think he's right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 21:29:41 GMT 1
At least one leader is showing some backbone
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Post by houpla on Jan 5, 2022 21:45:22 GMT 1
Just so long as he recognises that there are some who genuinely cannot be vaccinated due to existing health conditions. There doesn't seem to be anything in place to differentiate
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Post by lindalovely on Jan 5, 2022 21:58:23 GMT 1
90% of French people probably agree with him. Unvaccinated people account for 80% of those currently in intensive care
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Post by landmannnn on Jan 5, 2022 22:05:25 GMT 1
There are very few people who can't have the vaccine.
Genuine allergic reactions, those with mental issues and those at end of life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 22:05:51 GMT 1
Just so long as he recognises that there are some who genuinely cannot be vaccinated due to existing health conditions. There doesn't seem to be anything in place to differentiate I agree,but in the big scheme of things there aren’t many that cannot have a vaccine |
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Post by houpla on Jan 5, 2022 22:10:59 GMT 1
It's tough luck, though, if you happen to be one of the few. Not only in ill health but lumped together with the dickheads and penalised accordingly!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 10:13:57 GMT 1
It's tough luck, though, if you happen to be one of the few. Not only in ill health but lumped together with the dickheads and penalised accordingly!
I think I'd add "the frightened, foolish or gullible" to your list. I know a number of people who have refused. They include a woman whose husband caught it twice; a super-healthy young woman who is suspicious of any medicine; and a woman who is generally very kind but has been swayed (let herself be swayed, perhaps) by the nonsense peddled on the internet.
On the plus side, I worked out several months ago that emmerdation (it is a word now) was his strategy, as I think a number of us here did. Nice to hear him confirm that in no uncertain terms. I don't think it'll do him any harm in April.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 7, 2022 12:55:39 GMT 1
Every one of us who have been vaccinated is emmerdé'd most days in order to protect the health and rights of those who choose not to protect themselves, it's good that they get to know what it feels like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 17:03:38 GMT 1
I have to say, as well, that Macron's approach strikes me as being mature, democratic, civilised and caring. If those people who are frightened, or foolish, or whatever, can be encouraged to do something which is for the greater good including for themselves and their loved ones, that must be good.
If you watch too much of a farming feuilleton, could you be said to be Emmerdalé?
Even I'm embarrassed by that one.
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Post by FFS on Jan 7, 2022 17:36:04 GMT 1
I have to say, as well, that Macron's approach strikes me as being mature, democratic, civilised and caring. If those people who are frightened, or foolish, or whatever, can be encouraged to do something which is for the greater good including for themselves and their loved ones, that must be good. If you watch too much of a farming feuilleton, could you be said to be Emmerdalé? Even I'm embarrassed by that one.And so you should be.  |
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Post by houpla on Jan 7, 2022 18:46:37 GMT 1
Every one of us who have been vaccinated is emmerdé'd most days in order to protect the health and rights of those who choose not to protect themselves, it's good that they get to know what it feels like. How so? I've had rather more injections over the last 12 months than I care for, and have to produce a piece of paper under certain circumstances, but it's hardly onerous, is it? I still maintain that distinction should be made between those who genuinely can't be vaccinated and those who choose not to be. By all means bring the big stick on for the latter! |
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Post by houpla on Jan 7, 2022 18:51:31 GMT 1
There are very few people who can't have the vaccine. Genuine allergic reactions, those with mental issues and those at end of life. Are you sure? My best friend is only 52 but has multiple health complications and has been strongly advised not to proceed with vaccination. As things stand, she'll be 'punished' along with all the recalcitrants! |
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Post by exile on Jan 7, 2022 21:37:35 GMT 1
The fact that you know one person who has been advised to avoid vaccination does not make it a common condition.
You are right that having a few injections and showing a piece of paper is not onerous - and that is precisely why this has to be hammered home to those who would not. The carrots have been tries and now it is time for the stick.
As long as there is a significant population of unvaccinated - sadly supported by a portion of the vaccinated who can still catch the virus - there remans a major risk of (re-) infection for your best friend for example - and a significant risk of variant developing. That happens all of the time, but occasionally a variant gains an advantage and takes off creating a new phase of problems.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 7, 2022 22:11:45 GMT 1
I was talking of the restrictions that we all have to abide with every day whether onerous or not, having to wear masks in shops & public buildings, pretty much a blanket ban on travel for all but the most determined and fortunate, French nationals not being allowed to attend the funerals of or care for family members in the UK.
For myself personally and the hundreds of thousands of others in the travel or hospitality industries the total loss of all business for soon to be 2 years.
I am not saying that these are not needed to prevent or slow down the propogation of the virus but who are the beneficiaries? We are in a very different situation from when we made the sacrifices willingly to protect the elderly and vulnerable, they were the first priority in the vaccination program, then the majority of the rest of us did our duty even if it may have gone against our instincts, now we continue with restrictive measures to protect those who choose not to protect themselves, that is absolutely their right and I don't believe in telling them they should do otherwise but other than those of them who sadly die from Covid, fewer and fewer these days its everybody else who is paying the price.
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