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Post by exile on Mar 16, 2022 19:55:31 GMT 1
I disagree. It is remarkably selfish of the non-wearers. They clearly care little for their own health but, more importantly, if someone harbours the virus then wearing a mask will reduce the amount of droplet spread from that person. Non-wearers are placing all around them at higher risk. That deserves disapproval in my book. As a non-wearer I do care about my health. So much so I have decided not to have the vaccination until more data is available. If people are in fear of breathing unfiltered air then surely being vaccinated and probably boosted and also wearing a mask gives them all the protection they could wish for? No it does not provide all of the protection I could wish for. You not wearing a mask increases the chances of me being infested (assuming that you are infected) - even though I am wearing a mask - from around 1.5% to 70%. * I am staggered that people find wearing a mask is such a chore and imposition. I am surprised that people find having a vaccine pass and occasionally having to show it is so onerous that it should be thrown out. France is developing into an Anglo-Saxon me, me, me environment. Fraternity would seem to be being pushed out of the window as a consequence. *Other numbers from other studies are available but the trend is always the same. There is no study that shows that an infected person is safer to be near when he is unmasked.
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Post by triumphant on Mar 17, 2022 12:22:11 GMT 1
The level of paranoia amongst relatively healthy people is going to take some time to go it seems. The vulnerable and those with other health issues must be used to this way of life. Those who have a genuine fear of dying of whatever is going round I'm afraid they are going to have a difficult time in the weeks and months ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 12:51:56 GMT 1
The level of paranoia amongst relatively healthy people is going to take some time to go it seems. The vulnerable and those with other health issues must be used to this way of life. Those who have a genuine fear of dying of whatever is going round I'm afraid they are going to have a difficult time in the weeks and months ahead. That's an interesting viewpoint. We both have health issues which, thankfully, are somewhat mitigated by medication and have gratefully had the vaccination and booster. We continue to mask-up with FFP2 and practice social distancing wherever we can by avoiding crowded places. We know that we are paranoid but rather that than seriously ill. What preventitive measures do you take to avoid contracting the virus and/or contaminating others?
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Post by triumphant on Mar 17, 2022 14:06:26 GMT 1
I've tried to live as normally as possible. I'm lucky in that I'm not in the age group that is most at risk, I'm in good health and have been tested as having high vitamin D levels. I've worn a mask where it has been a legal requirement and when it's a condition of employment. Other than that I haven't made any conscious moves to change my behaviour. I've visited the pub when in the UK (I work in the UK so a relatively frequent traveller) and stayed with several different friends both vaxed and unvaxed. I'm particularly pleased that France has relaxed the rules regarding the vaccination certificate as now I can at least get go for a coffee, beer or bite to eat. It will be almost like being back in the UK but with higher prices!
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Post by gigi on Mar 17, 2022 16:47:49 GMT 1
The level of paranoia amongst relatively healthy people is going to take some time to go it seems. The vulnerable and those with other health issues must be used to this way of life. Those who have a genuine fear of dying of whatever is going round I'm afraid they are going to have a difficult time in the weeks and months ahead. That's an interesting viewpoint. We both have health issues which, thankfully, are somewhat mitigated by medication and have gratefully had the vaccination and booster. We continue to mask-up with FFP2 and practice social distancing wherever we can by avoiding crowded places. We know that we are paranoid but rather that than seriously ill. What preventitive measures do you take to avoid contracting the virus and/or contaminating others? Twojays, you’re paranoid at all, you’re very sensible and what you do is exactly the same as us (older and with various health problems) as well as friends and neighbours. Our sons and spouses, under 50s and pretty fit and healthy, are also still very careful about social distancing, use of hand gel etc. We do now meet as a family for birthdays etc rather than over Zoom, but not in small rooms, only in airy places, windows open if in our home. My husband and I don’t visit many shops (groceries are delivered), but most customers wear masks, use hand gel in our small local M&S and Waitrose in the nearest town and the airy café we sometimes call in to; they are a cross-section, not just oldies, with quite a number walking around outdoors still masked
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Post by triumphant on Mar 17, 2022 17:29:11 GMT 1
My mention of paranoia was regarding healthy people. It seems to me that you are doing exactly the right thing, doing what you think is right for you and that's what I want, to be able to do what I think is right for me. Fortunately it seems that things are heading in the right direction.
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Post by pcpa on Mar 17, 2022 18:45:53 GMT 1
Agreed, as I said before "It's good that everyone can make their choice without being criticised or frowned at", well in the physical world at least. I'm sure you like me take reciprocal precautions when visiting the vulnerable or the anxious.
Sadly one sibling and also my best friend I may not see again for the rest of their days, they are both fully vaccinated and in good health, one couple have also contracted & got through covid but that has set them so far down the isolation & fear route that I don't think they will ever go out, socialise or recieve friends & family ever again, I have to content myself with seeing their children and grandchildren who are really upset by the situation as they are excluded also.
I respect their wishes but its such a terrible shame for their children & grandchildren and I'm sure if they were not retired, comfortably off, happy to spend all their time at home & on the internet, able to have everything they need delivered they would not have ended up in their situation, there are many more like them.
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Post by exile on Mar 17, 2022 20:24:19 GMT 1
My mention of paranoia was regarding healthy people. It seems to me that you are doing exactly the right thing, doing what you think is right for you and that's what I want, to be able to do what I think is right for me. Fortunately it seems that things are heading in the right direction. My, me me. Just about proves my earlier point. I have no paranoia for myself - although I probably carry a comorbidity or two. I do however worry about the widow who runs the local shop for the village. I worry about how her children and grandchildren will react if she is hospitalised or dies. I worry about how the shop will keep running while she is hors action (perhaps a little selfishness there but I can drive into town for wants if needed. Others here cannot.) And that is just one of very many vulnerable people in our small commune - which so far has had no confirmed cases. So if "my wants" are so important to you. Try this one on: We all acknowledge that speed limits and fines are a right pain the proverbial. So in your town, how about we do away with them? Completely - 80, 90, 110 all fair game. After all in our little metal boxes (aka cars) we are safe, we have airbags, we have brakes, we have steering, we are invincible. As for those without a car, there is the pavement or if they are really scared they can stay home. That sir, to my mind is your argument and it is flawed, seriously flawed.
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Post by triumphant on Mar 17, 2022 20:44:24 GMT 1
My mention of paranoia was regarding healthy people. It seems to me that you are doing exactly the right thing, doing what you think is right for you and that's what I want, to be able to do what I think is right for me. Fortunately it seems that things are heading in the right direction. My, me me. Just about proves my earlier point. I have no paranoia for myself - although I probably carry a comorbidity or two. I do however worry about the widow who runs the local shop for the village. I worry about how her children and grandchildren will react if she is hospitalised or dies. I worry about how the shop will keep running while she is hors action (perhaps a little selfishness there but I can drive into town for wants if needed. Others here cannot.) And that is just one of very many vulnerable people in our small commune - which so far has had no confirmed cases. So if "my wants" are so important to you. Try this one on: We all acknowledge that speed limits and fines are a right pain the proverbial. So in your town, how about we do away with them? Completely - 80, 90, 110 all fair game. After all in our little metal boxes (aka cars) we are safe, we have airbags, we have brakes, we have steering, we are invincible. As for those without a car, there is the pavement or if they are really scared they can stay home. That sir, to my mind is your argument and it is flawed, seriously flawed. Pretty pathetic response if you don't mind me (opps there's that word again) saying so. It's just surprising you didn't use the seatbelt analogy but at least you kept to a motoring theme. You seem to do a lot of worrying so perhaps the campaign of fear has been totally successful on you. I don't think I'm invincible, in fact I would say I do a risk assessment most everyday of my life so I'm well aware of what can do harm and is an acceptable risk and what can be mitigated. I do believe in personal responsibility so perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 17, 2022 20:44:49 GMT 1
I love the argument that's advanced that more data is needed before getting vaccinated.
That's a bit like saying more data is needed on the safety of parachutes while falling from 10,000 ft. I'm guessing only a moron wouldn't take the parachute.
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Post by triumphant on Mar 17, 2022 21:06:22 GMT 1
I love the argument that's advanced that more data is needed before getting vaccinated. That's a bit like saying more data is needed on the safety of parachutes while falling from 10,000 ft. I'm guessing only a moron wouldn't take the parachute. I really think the habit of using analogies is lazy, it's like ( add whatever inane comparison you like). In fact my decision to wait for more data may well have helped me dodge a bullet as it was only after a few weeks/months of the campaign in Israel to vaccinate the whole population that cases of myocarditis and pericarditis came to light so instead of being concerned about the safety of the parachute I just stayed in the plane. Who knows maybe it will land successfully and I won't need the parachute.
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Post by exile on Mar 17, 2022 21:12:15 GMT 1
My, me me. Just about proves my earlier point. I have no paranoia for myself - although I probably carry a comorbidity or two. I do however worry about the widow who runs the local shop for the village. I worry about how her children and grandchildren will react if she is hospitalised or dies. I worry about how the shop will keep running while she is hors action (perhaps a little selfishness there but I can drive into town for wants if needed. Others here cannot.) And that is just one of very many vulnerable people in our small commune - which so far has had no confirmed cases. So if "my wants" are so important to you. Try this one on: We all acknowledge that speed limits and fines are a right pain the proverbial. So in your town, how about we do away with them? Completely - 80, 90, 110 all fair game. After all in our little metal boxes (aka cars) we are safe, we have airbags, we have brakes, we have steering, we are invincible. As for those without a car, there is the pavement or if they are really scared they can stay home. That sir, to my mind is your argument and it is flawed, seriously flawed. Pretty pathetic response if you don't mind me (opps there's that word again) saying so. It's just surprising you didn't use the seatbelt analogy but at least you kept to a motoring theme. You seem to do a lot of worrying so perhaps the campaign of fear has been totally successful on you. I don't think I'm invincible, in fact I would say I do a risk assessment most everyday of my life so I'm well aware of what can do harm and is an acceptable risk and what can be mitigated. I do believe in personal responsibility so perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree. So your risk assessment says that 40,000 people in France dying every year with the current (sorry past) protections is OK. Let's be clear, that is a small/medium passenger plane crashing onto France every single day of the year. Or if you prefer a 911 disaster every month. Much as you would hope otherwise these numbers are not trivial. Your risk analysis is clearly yours and good luck to you. But mitigation? Masks are mitigation. Passes sanitiares are mitigation. And as of last Monday, there is no mitigation. As an aside I went down to the valley today and the differences in approach are very pronounced. Pharmacy - masks still required Gamm Vert - masks still required Boulanger - no requirements and to a (wo)man no masks worn on either side of the counter. Castorama - no requirement but perhaps 20% still wearing masks - none of them staff Auchan - ditto Lidl - ditto But note: the stores still have high plastic screens to protect their till staff. In 5 weeks time, I predict a rather sharp up tick in mortality due to the virus. I am not going to play god and suggest by how much but it will be significant. But by then, Macron will have been re-elected and can then safely reimpose some restrictions - gently of course. You and others have been played and you still don't see it.
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Post by ibis on Mar 17, 2022 21:30:25 GMT 1
Let's be clear, that is a small/medium passenger plane crashing onto France every single day of the year. Or if you prefer a 911 disaster every month.In 5 weeks time, I predict a rather sharp up tick in mortality due to the virus. I am not going to play god and suggest by how much but it will be significant. But by then, Macron will have been re-elected and can then safely reimpose some restrictions - gently of course. You and others have been played and you still don't see it. If you are talking of the attacks on the US of A then it would take 10+ years to equal your figure...
You do not see that you are being played and from your posts; hook, line and sinker. The perfect little sheep for the new world order. That's how they want it...
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Post by ibis on Mar 17, 2022 21:31:22 GMT 1
I have a bridge for sell if you are looking to buy exile .. LOL
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Post by exile on Mar 17, 2022 21:48:34 GMT 1
I have a bridge for sell if you are looking to buy exile .. LOL Could I politely suggest a better translation program.
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