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Post by triumphant on Mar 17, 2022 22:17:38 GMT 1
So your risk assessment says that 40,000 people in France dying every year with the current (sorry past) protections is OK. Let's be clear, that is a small/medium passenger plane crashing onto France every single day of the year. Or if you prefer a 911 disaster every month. Much as you would hope otherwise these numbers are not trivial. Your risk analysis is clearly yours and good luck to you. But mitigation? Masks are mitigation. Passes sanitiares are mitigation. And as of last Monday, there is no mitigation. As an aside I went down to the valley today and the differences in approach are very pronounced. Pharmacy - masks still required Gamm Vert - masks still required Boulanger - no requirements and to a (wo)man no masks worn on either side of the counter. Castorama - no requirement but perhaps 20% still wearing masks - none of them staff Auchan - ditto Lidl - ditto But note: the stores still have high plastic screens to protect their till staff. In 5 weeks time, I predict a rather sharp up tick in mortality due to the virus. I am not going to play god and suggest by how much but it will be significant. But by then, Macron will have been re-elected and can then safely reimpose some restrictions - gently of course. You and others have been played and you still don't see it. 40,000? I would love to see how that number breaks down. Age groups, underlying health issues, obesity, diabetes , died with or from covid, etc etc. Masks and pass sanitaires are not mitigation they are virtue signalling. I'm not sure what the relevance of who was wearing masks where is but it sounds like you had a busy day shopping. England hasn't had a mask mandate for weeks or a covid pass for ever and their stats are not off the scale. Macron was going to get re-elected anyway and he will do as he likes as usual because he is playing being an Emperor! I think we have a different idea of what 'being played ' actually means. Buy my bridge, it's the real one!!!
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Post by ibis on Mar 17, 2022 22:59:45 GMT 1
40,000? I would love to see how that number breaks down. Age groups, underlying health issues, obesity, diabetes , died with or from covid, etc etc. Masks and pass sanitaires are not mitigation they are virtue signalling. I'm not sure what the relevance of who was wearing masks where is but it sounds like you had a busy day shopping. England hasn't had a mask mandate for weeks or a covid pass for ever and their stats are not off the scale. Macron was going to get re-elected anyway and he will do as he likes as usual because he is playing being an Emperor! I think we have a different idea of what 'being played ' actually means. Buy my bridge, it's the real one!!! She was doing her st patricks day shopping...
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Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 17, 2022 23:18:57 GMT 1
Let's be clear, that is a small/medium passenger plane crashing onto France every single day of the year. Or if you prefer a 911 disaster every month.In 5 weeks time, I predict a rather sharp up tick in mortality due to the virus. I am not going to play god and suggest by how much but it will be significant. But by then, Macron will have been re-elected and can then safely reimpose some restrictions - gently of course. You and others have been played and you still don't see it. If you are talking of the attacks on the US of A then it would take 10+ years to equal your figure...
You do not see that you are being played and from your posts; hook, line and sinker. The perfect little sheep for the new world order. That's how they want it...
2997 were killed (excluding hijackers). 2997 x 12 = 35,964. That strikes me a pretty close to the 40000 quoted by exile For your assertion of 10 years that would make 359,640.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 17, 2022 23:20:29 GMT 1
I love the argument that's advanced that more data is needed before getting vaccinated. That's a bit like saying more data is needed on the safety of parachutes while falling from 10,000 ft. I'm guessing only a moron wouldn't take the parachute. I really think... I see little evidence of that.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 17, 2022 23:21:24 GMT 1
I have a bridge for sell if you are looking to buy exile .. LOL It's like Oscar Wilde is in the room.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 17, 2022 23:24:41 GMT 1
So your risk assessment says that 40,000 people in France dying every year with the current (sorry past) protections is OK. Let's be clear, that is a small/medium passenger plane crashing onto France every single day of the year. Or if you prefer a 911 disaster every month. Much as you would hope otherwise these numbers are not trivial. Your risk analysis is clearly yours and good luck to you. But mitigation? Masks are mitigation. Passes sanitiares are mitigation. And as of last Monday, there is no mitigation. As an aside I went down to the valley today and the differences in approach are very pronounced. Pharmacy - masks still required Gamm Vert - masks still required Boulanger - no requirements and to a (wo)man no masks worn on either side of the counter. Castorama - no requirement but perhaps 20% still wearing masks - none of them staff Auchan - ditto Lidl - ditto But note: the stores still have high plastic screens to protect their till staff. In 5 weeks time, I predict a rather sharp up tick in mortality due to the virus. I am not going to play god and suggest by how much but it will be significant. But by then, Macron will have been re-elected and can then safely reimpose some restrictions - gently of course. You and others have been played and you still don't see it. 40,000? I would love to see how that number breaks down. Age groups, underlying health issues, obesity, diabetes , died with or from covid, etc etc. Surely, to make your risk analysis, you would have such data at your fingertips.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 17, 2022 23:27:28 GMT 1
40,000? I would love to see how that number breaks down. Age groups, underlying health issues, obesity, diabetes , died with or from covid, etc etc. Masks and pass sanitaires are not mitigation they are virtue signalling. I'm not sure what the relevance of who was wearing masks where is but it sounds like you had a busy day shopping. England hasn't had a mask mandate for weeks or a covid pass for ever and their stats are not off the scale. Macron was going to get re-elected anyway and he will do as he likes as usual because he is playing being an Emperor! I think we have a different idea of what 'being played ' actually means. Buy my bridge, it's the real one!!! She was doing her st patricks day shopping... OMG. The world has found its next comedy genius.
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Post by exile on Mar 18, 2022 1:13:02 GMT 1
40,000? I would love to see how that number breaks down. Age groups, underlying health issues, obesity, diabetes , died with or from covid, etc etc. Oh dear back to that one. Let's blame it all on those who were going to die anyway. The news for you: They died in 2020. Those that didn't died in 2021. You cannot play they were going to die anyway forever because the simple fact is we are all going to die - shock horror.
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Post by ibis on Mar 18, 2022 1:21:48 GMT 1
40,000? I would love to see how that number breaks down. Age groups, underlying health issues, obesity, diabetes , died with or from covid, etc etc. Oh dear back to that one. Let's blame it all on those who were going to die anyway. The news for you: They died in 2020. Those that didn't died in 2021. You cannot play they were going to die anyway forever because the simple fact is we are all going to die - shock horror. So now you are dividing the 40000 into 2 years.. Please make up your mind..
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Post by exile on Mar 18, 2022 1:36:52 GMT 1
OFFS
Stop trolling you .................................
You are beginning to make a bigger idiot of yourself than you have already done - or would you prefer I did not refer back to black plastic gate?
Anyway lets see - current death rate in France 120/day ( a smallish plane load) - 7 day average.
Five weeks from now 22/4/2022 or perhaps for you 04/22/2022. Will the 7 day average death rate be higher or lower - I won't ask for a number because as I have already posted I don't pretend that I can forecast like that.
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Post by triumphant on Mar 18, 2022 6:52:41 GMT 1
I see little evidence of that. Hahaha you could be right but I suspect (nearly used the word 'think') with your clear superiority (attitude? ) that you have that opinion of anyone whose views don't fit into your extremely narrow point of view.
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Post by triumphant on Mar 18, 2022 6:53:41 GMT 1
40,000? I would love to see how that number breaks down. Age groups, underlying health issues, obesity, diabetes , died with or from covid, etc etc. Surely, to make your risk analysis, you would have such data at your fingertips. Perhaps I do!
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Post by triumphant on Mar 18, 2022 7:12:39 GMT 1
40,000? I would love to see how that number breaks down. Age groups, underlying health issues, obesity, diabetes , died with or from covid, etc etc. Oh dear back to that one. Let's blame it all on those who were going to die anyway. The news for you: They died in 2020. Those that didn't died in 2021. You cannot play they were going to die anyway forever because the simple fact is we are all going to die - shock horror. I'm not blaming anyone just trying to illustrate that the health issues behind the number of deaths is very relevant to an individuals decision as to what is appropriate for themselves. If the (vast) majority of deaths are elderly, obese, diabetic for example then a young, fit and healthy, let's say tennis player is fully entitled to make their choice. I'm not a tennis player by the way although I almost fit with the other parts of the example.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 18, 2022 9:05:30 GMT 1
Oh dear back to that one. Let's blame it all on those who were going to die anyway. The news for you: They died in 2020. Those that didn't died in 2021. You cannot play they were going to die anyway forever because the simple fact is we are all going to die - shock horror. I'm not blaming anyone just trying to illustrate that the health issues behind the number of deaths is very relevant to an individuals decision as to what is appropriate for themselves. If the (vast) majority of deaths are elderly, obese, diabetic for example then a young, fit and healthy, let's say tennis player is fully entitled to make their choice. I'm not a tennis player by the way although I almost fit with the other parts of the example. Of course it's relevant. That's been obvious from the start. However, because an individual is in a low risk group at the start of the Pandemic, their relative risk increases as the percentage of vaccinated people rises because the vaccinated have moved into lower risk. Or, to put it another way, the unvaccinated are increasing as a proportion of morbidity and mortality associated with Covid. That's not confirmation bias - the thing that seems to inform your argument - it's just the way it is. And my narrow viewpoint, as you put it, is shared by the vast majority of those that understand epidemiology and virology based on the data available rather than cherry-picking to suit the polemic. In terms of superiority, I'm guessing that my knowledge and critical reading of medical issues places me in a position to make assessments with a degree of confidence. If I'm wrong it's for the right reasons. I think the reassuring thing is that most people would rather rely on the advice of the collective wisdom of the professionals who understand the epidemiology, immunology and pathology of SARS-CoV-2 rather than the somewhat irrational nonsense spouted by unaccountable Internet "sources".
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Post by triumphant on Mar 18, 2022 9:53:37 GMT 1
Relative risk is always changing that's why it's irrelevant. The absolute risk hasn't changed, the average age of death is still in the 80's most people who have succumbed have been in poor health. End of. You sound like a salesman from a pharmaceutical company, oh hang on maybe old habits die hard. I'm not sure about 'if I'm wrong it's for the right reasons ' I'm hoping your pensions are tied to some pharma shares.
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