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Mar 17, 2022 18:33:53 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 18:33:53 GMT 1
If that happened in France the workers would lynch the management, and quite rightly too. Appalling behaviour and certainly against UK employment law. I think they come under a separate law mangetout being seafarers.....I dont know if that is better or not yet.......
No French workers lost there jobs and the UK union asked the workers to vote for brexit back in 2016 to protect the jobs. That went well. |
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Mar 17, 2022 21:09:47 GMT 1
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Post by triumphant on Mar 17, 2022 21:09:47 GMT 1
I knew Brexit would be to blame.
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Mar 17, 2022 22:21:03 GMT 1
Post by woolybanana on Mar 17, 2022 22:21:03 GMT 1
Not BJ, then, yet? Nah must be Jeremy Corbyn!
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Mar 17, 2022 22:42:38 GMT 1
Post by graham on Mar 17, 2022 22:42:38 GMT 1
Perhaps I am a cynic but maybe the management decided that the sacking route would be simpler than trying to negotiate with the RMT.
(I am not, however, condoning their apalling behaviour).
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Mar 17, 2022 23:37:26 GMT 1
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Post by manonthemoon2 on Mar 17, 2022 23:37:26 GMT 1
It's a disgraceful way to be made redundant.
When my OH worked for P & O, many years ago when they closed the route from Portsmouth to France, he was given notice and time to apply for another job before being made redundant.
However, at least one of the agencies the media mentioned can recruit former employees, but on a different contract. E.g. paid for working one or two weeks, but unpaid for one or two weeks. The rota usually works 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. The 2 weeks off are unpaid.
So work can be still available but on a much lower graded contract.
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Mar 18, 2022 0:21:24 GMT 1
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Post by landmannnn on Mar 18, 2022 0:21:24 GMT 1
Also we need to mention the 193 people this company killed in 1987 with their shoddy practices.
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exile
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Mar 18, 2022 1:18:13 GMT 1
Post by exile on Mar 18, 2022 1:18:13 GMT 1
Careful. That was Townsend Thoresen (sp?) PO bought them out after the tragedy.
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Mar 18, 2022 10:25:03 GMT 1
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Post by landmannnn on Mar 18, 2022 10:25:03 GMT 1
Careful. That was Townsend Thoresen (sp?) PO bought them out after the tragedy. No, P&O just took the other ships to Poland and painted the orange bits blue. Exactly the same company. |
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Mar 18, 2022 11:31:03 GMT 1
Post by exile on Mar 18, 2022 11:31:03 GMT 1
Having done some digging, you are indeed correct. P&O were the operator on that day.
So thanks for that correction.
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Mar 18, 2022 12:37:50 GMT 1
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Post by landmannnn on Mar 18, 2022 12:37:50 GMT 1
Quoting from the RMT... TRANSPORT UNION RMT today set out six key reasons why it will be advising members to vote to the leave the EU in the forthcoming referendum: 1. Leave the EU to end attacks on rail workers New EU rail policies are set to further entrench rail privatisation and fragmentation. That will also mean more attacks or jobs and conditions and EU laws will make it impossible to bring all of rail back into public ownership. 2. Leave the EU to end attacks on seafarers and the offshore workers The EU has promoted undercutting and social dumping leading to the decimation of UK seafarers. The same is now happening in the offshore sector. EU directives also require the tendering our public ferry services. 3. Leave the EU to end attacks on workers’ rights It’s a myth that the EU is in favour of workers. In fact the EU is developing a new policy framework to attack trade union rights, collective bargaining, job protections and wages. This is already being enforced in countries which have received EU “bailouts”. 4. Leave the EU to end Austerity If you join a union you expect members of the union to protect each other in times of trouble. The European Union has done the opposite. It has used the economic crisis to impose austerity and privatization on member states. Instead of protecting jobs and investment EU austerity is driving UK austerity. 5. Leave the EU to stop the attack on our NHS The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) trade agreement being negotiated between the EU and the United States will promote big business at the expense government protections and organisations including our NHS! Environmental regulations, employment rights, food safety, privacy laws and many other safeguards will also be secondary to the right of corporations to make even bigger profits. 6. Leave the EU to support democracy The vast majority of the laws that affects our lives are now made in the EU and not the UK. We have no say over those Laws. As the late Tony Benn said in 1991… “We are discussing whether the British people are to be allowed to elect those who make the laws under which they are governed. The argument is nothing to do with whether we should get more maternity leave from Madame Papandreou .” |
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Mar 18, 2022 13:42:09 GMT 1
Post by hal on Mar 18, 2022 13:42:09 GMT 1
Looking into the nitty gritty of all this is quite interesting.
It would seem that on the face of it, the RMT have indeed shot themselves in the foot by this stupid brexit policy that automatically threw maritime workers at the mercy of international conventions. Europe made quite a few concessions outside of these conventions but of course the UK has lost these.
It is interesting, and I cannot believe that DP legal teams have not see this, but basic UK law appears to have been blatantly broken in that notice was not given to the government - or, was it....?
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Nifty
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Mar 18, 2022 13:49:53 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Mar 18, 2022 13:49:53 GMT 1
@ Hal
Obviously not.
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Mar 18, 2022 13:53:48 GMT 1
Post by hal on Mar 18, 2022 13:53:48 GMT 1
Sorry Nifty, I took quite a bit out of me earlier post your answer might have been...
I think there is an awful lot that we do not know yet.
I am though steadfast on having no sympathy on what ever in all this is in fact a result of brexit.
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Mar 18, 2022 14:01:11 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Mar 18, 2022 14:01:11 GMT 1
Agreed. I think that few actually know of all the angles.
This debacle will run and run until ??
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Mar 18, 2022 16:06:54 GMT 1
Post by elsie on Mar 18, 2022 16:06:54 GMT 1
According to Joel Hill, ITV tinyurl.com/y9o8z4qlThe unions argue that P&O’s UK crew were easy to fire because their contracts were issued in Jersey as part of P&O’s “offshore employment model”.
I’m told P&O has c50 Dutch + French crew, employed on contracts in the Netherlands and France who weren’t dismissed yesterday.The non-European crew weren't dismissed either. |
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