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Post by hal on Apr 9, 2022 20:18:41 GMT 1
Only if you have a French passport I think.
Thankfully France was not so anal as the brexitland lawmakers and grandfathered those already in France of repute, not a burden on the State and pay taxes, allowing us to visit brexitland for as long as it pleased.
But why would one want to spend time there? OK, if there is family, but I can see no other reason. The place is a shitshow run by clowns😀
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Post by tim17 on Apr 9, 2022 21:00:43 GMT 1
We hardly ever see the kids because of where they live, our eldest for example lives on Guadeloupe and it's unlikely we'll see her this year so whether we lived here or the UK it wouldn't make a great deal of difference. In the UK we both have elderly parents that need varying levels of care which we'll have to manage in the short term and also (which I'm sure I'll get stick for) there is the spectre of a inheritance tax due to the children not being mine.
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Post by limousinlady on Apr 10, 2022 7:17:46 GMT 1
We hardly ever see the kids because of where they live, our eldest for example lives on Guadeloupe and it's unlikely we'll see her this year so whether we lived here or the UK it wouldn't make a great deal of difference. In the UK we both have elderly parents that need varying levels of care which we'll have to manage in the short term and also (which I'm sure I'll get stick for) there is the spectre of a inheritance tax due to the children not being mine. Yes, I can see that is a concern. I have an elderly mother in the UK, who although lives independently increasingly relies on my sisters for support and am regularly made aware about that and I do feel guilty that they have the responsibility although I did all the run around when my father was ill some years back.
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Post by tim17 on Apr 10, 2022 8:26:27 GMT 1
That is exactly the position I'm in LL plus my FIL is also not in great health.
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Post by Debra on Apr 10, 2022 13:29:13 GMT 1
I think I'd do it the other way around and have the UK house classed as my second home and that way I don't lose my rights to live in France and there is no limit to how much time I can spend in the UK. Do you have French citizenship?
I thought under the withdrawal agreement there was a time limit you can be away from your immigrated country to be able to get a long term visa. Maybe it is just Spain but I would think it relates to the whole of the EU.
Under the withdrawal treaty as a permanent resident (as opposed to a temporary one who has been here for less than five years) I can leave France for up to five years and keep my rights under that treaty. That applies whether I have French citizenship or not. If I retain my tax residency in France I won't be classed as having left. I'm not sure I even have to retain tax residency if I'm back and forth between what is (and maybe in future, was) my principal home here in France. By leaving, do they mean change tax residency or never come back to France? ie if I spend just under six months per year here I wouldn't be tax resident but would I have left according to the treaty rules? Not sure. Whatever the rule actually is to not be considered as having left, that's what I'd do, because with having family, including my kids, resident in France I wouldn't want to lose my residence rights. By the time I can realistically do that I'll probably be old enough to claim French citizenship via my French kids anyway so it may be a moot point!
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Post by Debra on Apr 10, 2022 13:46:42 GMT 1
Only if you have a French passport I think. Thankfully France was not so anal as the brexitland lawmakers and grandfathered those already in France of repute, not a burden on the State and pay taxes, allowing us to visit brexitland for as long as it pleased. That doesn't make sense? France is following the same withdrawal treaty that the UK is following and people who have lived here for more than five years don't lose their rights unless they leave France for more than five years but that's the only thing that affects how long we can go back to the UK for, as British people, whether we're also French or not. If you've lived here for less than five years then you can't leave France for more than six months in any year before you gain permanent residence rights without losing the withdrawal treaty rights but again, that's the withdrawal treaty and the same applies in the UK - it's not France specifically allowing us rights. 'Not a burden on the state and pay taxes' is also irrelevant to the withdrawal treaty. Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the rights people will have in future as third country nationals to visit France long term and eventually gain rights under the EU long term residents directive? (Again, not France, but EU sourced law).
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Post by hal on Apr 10, 2022 16:48:27 GMT 1
I was condensing the actual situation based on one having a TdS - something most of us have. I do not know what is in the withdrawal agreement detail and I care not nor have any interest in it! Whatever is in the agreement will be inane nonsense by its very existence! Yes, I should have qualified my answer on the basis of having a TdS.
My answer therefore should have been - a UK passport holder can get a TdeS by meeting certain conditions, five years, pay taxes etc etc and have the right of abode in France for as long as the TdS is valid. Someone in this situation can use their UK passport to go to brexitland at any time and stay there assuming the passport does not have any conditions attached. After 90 days, HMRC might decide that you owe some money, but that is a different matter. The brexitland people cannot revoke a French TdS, so one can decide at any time to pop back to France and they are straight in.
The burden on the state and paying taxes is a TdS thing.
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Post by Debra on Apr 10, 2022 17:30:02 GMT 1
I was condensing the actual situation based on one having a TdS - something most of us have. I do not know what is in the withdrawal agreement detail and I care not nor have any interest in it! Whatever is in the agreement will be inane nonsense by its very existence! Yes, I should have qualified my answer on the basis of having a TdS. My answer therefore should have been - a UK passport holder can get a TdeS by meeting certain conditions, five years, pay taxes etc etc and have the right of abode in France for as long as the TdS is valid. Someone in this situation can use their UK passport to go to brexitland at any time and stay there assuming the passport does not have any conditions attached. After 90 days, HMRC might decide that you owe some money, but that is a different matter. The brexitland people cannot revoke a French TdS, so one can decide at any time to pop back to France and they are straight in. The burden on the state and paying taxes is a TdS thing. Well that's all a lot of confused rubbish but then that's understandable since you don't understand what's in the withdrawal agreement or have any interest in it (or presumably the EU freedom of movement law it was based upon and refers to) or even any understanding of post brexit immigration law, it seems.
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Post by hal on Apr 10, 2022 17:53:56 GMT 1
And to you as well.
The only thing in that goddam agreement I understand is that 52% of inane knuckle draggers cost me a lot of money in bringing in parts for my cars.
Oh yes, the immigration bit - you mean the one where you all voted to send the workers home, then scratched your head wondering why the crops are rotting in the ground and the NHS is all but collapsing, and hurriedly put together a list of essential immigration that few are taking up? No, I do not understand that, you are right!
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Post by Debra on Apr 10, 2022 18:11:53 GMT 1
I live in France so it's immigration law in France I was referring to. I (and my family) have rights from pre-brexit via the withdrawal treaty so it's in my interests to understand them. I also have a son who left and will eventually lose his rights under the withdrawal treaty (depending upon whether visits to France count in the whole 'away five years' part) and he may eventually want to come back so I prefer to understand that part of it even if I don't leave myself and also the post brexit implications for British people coming under French domestic immigration law for third country nationals in case he ends up losing his withdrawal treaty rights.
Since you refer to 'you all' voting (I won't bother responding to the silly dig) then I guess you're not British and that explains why you don't understand any of the law concerning British people but if you're in France, you really should at least try to understand the immigration law that applies to you, along with British people who come here post brexit.
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Post by exile on Apr 10, 2022 18:14:47 GMT 1
Hey hal cool it. Debra is a French resident just like you and I. Sorry you are now burdened with import VAT as am I for my hobby. But don't take it out on members here please. Edit: Crossed with Debra's post
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Post by hal on Apr 10, 2022 20:03:16 GMT 1
Me cool it? me? 😀
I politely rectify an error and I get slammed - And I need to cool it?
You jest, yes?😀
If she does not like inuendos, then maybe explain to her that a simple ‘you are mistaken’ is more affable than ‘confused rubbish’…perhaps even take on board the motto from a school that tbenefitted from a recent donation…
Happy days!
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Post by Debra on Apr 10, 2022 20:11:02 GMT 1
Me cool it? me? 😀 I politely rectify an error and I get slammed - And I need to cool it? You jest, yes?😀 If she does not like inuendos, then maybe explain to her that a simple ‘you are mistaken’ is more affable than ‘confused rubbish’…perhaps even take on board the motto from a school that tbenefitted from a recent donation… Happy days! You weren't mistaken though and didn't correct anything - 'confused rubbish' was polite! Rather than argue every point I labelled it as such in the hope that nobody else would read what you wrote and take it as being correct and possibly make a mistake and lose their rights. If you lose yours because of a deliberate lack of understanding then that's your choice to be so ill informed but don't make statements that other people may assume are correct and be led astray. Luckily the majority of British people who had rights under the withdrawal treaty will have their TdS by now and so won't be scared off by your misleading comments about having to be 'not a burden on the State and pay taxes' but it still annoys me because in the past I've helped people who've kept their head down and been frightened to ask for advice because of such comments from uninformed people, thinking they had no rights when they did.
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 10, 2022 20:22:53 GMT 1
Surely the question was " would you move back to the UK " and mostley the answer is , " no , because I can't afford it ! "
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Post by Debra on Apr 10, 2022 20:40:15 GMT 1
Surely the question was " would you move back to the UK " and mostley the answer is , " no , because I can't afford it ! " My son still thinks food is a lot cheaper there than here, even if the general opinion is that prices have gone up. I've noticed they've gone up a lot here too so how much is because of brexit over there or covid everywhere and what's going to happen there and here with inflation and basically, who can predict at the moment, really? I feel I need to be poised to act when all the info is in. Where is cheap to live??
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