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Post by jardiniere on Mar 1, 2023 13:09:17 GMT 1
je viens de trouver une façon décrire sans écrire mets pour le moment ça ne marche que en français. J'essaie de trouver comment le faire en anglais.
Ok not perfect but you get the gist! Just like on the mobile where you can speak your message instead of writing it, apparently it's also possible on the laptop. What a time-saver! Trouble for me is when I dictated in English it expected to hear French so :
This makes life a bit difficult becomes: llaisse ma x Life a tefal !!!
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Post by jardiniere on Mar 1, 2023 13:16:27 GMT 1
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Post by jardiniere on Mar 1, 2023 13:36:00 GMT 1
You just need to put language in the Windows Search box then add the language.
I dictated the above but had to make so many corrections! Then it started writing in a mixture of French and English. Oh well. Would be great if it worked and perhaps there's a way of teaching it to understand your voice. Like Alexa. But for the time being it's easier to type.
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Post by pcpa on Mar 1, 2023 14:45:47 GMT 1
Either the machine has trouble hearing or you have trouble pronouncing "mais" Impressive but it would be all the more impressive if it could have some way of identifying words that should not be there and finding ones that do fit, also things like qu'en instead of que en although someone will probably correct me and say it was correct! A mobile phone can predict the likely next words and get even more precise as you type the first letter, the speech recognition should be able to do something similar.
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Post by jardiniere on Mar 1, 2023 17:20:26 GMT 1
A mobile phone can predict the likely next words and get even more precise as you type the first letter, the speech recognition should be able to do something similar. Yes, I think that's what I was expecting. I just tested my mobile with 'une façon d'écrire' and it spelt it correctly unlike the above attempt on my laptop. Ditto with 'mais pour le moment'. As for my pronunciation, mais and mets are homophones surely?
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Post by houpla on Mar 1, 2023 19:50:34 GMT 1
I lost patience a long time ago with the snotty madame on my mobile answerphone. In order to delete, repeat or archive messages, she requires one word instructions, but unless she considers the accent perfect, she just spits 'répétez ou décrochez, svp'. Bitch
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Post by pcpa on Mar 1, 2023 20:11:19 GMT 1
mais and mets are homophones surely? What they get up to behind closed doors is no concern of mine!
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Post by suein56 on Mar 1, 2023 21:18:02 GMT 1
If you put both words into Google translate and/or wordreference.com and listen to the spoken pronunciation you will find that there is a slight difference between the two .. which is what Houpla was complaining about .. the bitchiness and or the snootiness of the person converting the spoken word into something concrete.
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Post by houpla on Mar 1, 2023 21:59:52 GMT 1
How many times have we all had a conversation with French folks who looked totally blank and asked us to repeat what we said, followed by more total incomprehension? Then, finally,they twig.....Ahhhhhh....followed by the same word(s) that you're pretty sure you said correctly in the first place . C'est la vie....It works both ways, when they practise their 'English' on us
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Post by jardiniere on Mar 2, 2023 9:46:40 GMT 1
If you put both words into Google translate and/or wordreference.com and listen to the spoken pronunciation you will find that there is a slight difference between the two I think I can hear a slight difference, a bit like the difference between é and è. I was here for 15 years before hearing the difference between vous et vu. Mais ... I googled after pcpa's comment and they're listed it seems everywhere as homophones. In doing this I discovered the difficulties the French have with the French language. Ooh là là, it's not just us struggling!
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Post by houpla on Mar 2, 2023 11:07:48 GMT 1
What is heartbreaking is the current fashion for deliberately writing French as badly as humanly possible on social media. When you've spent years trying to perfect a language, it just seems so stupid....
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Post by pcpa on Mar 2, 2023 12:21:40 GMT 1
It works both ways, when they practise their 'English' on us What throws me is when they are speaking to you in French and slip in a couple of English nouns but pisspronounced in a very French way; my ears are just not attuned for it nor am I expecting it. It happened rarely in my old area but frequently here.
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Post by annabellespapa on Mar 2, 2023 12:38:48 GMT 1
I downloaded the Deepl free app to my phone and you can just about hold a technical conversation, eg a hedgecutter man trying to explain his devis to me, we both used my phone and we in the end understood what was going to happen.
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Post by Nifty on Mar 3, 2023 8:53:00 GMT 1
How many times have we all had a conversation with French folks who looked totally blank and asked us to repeat what we said, followed by more total incomprehension? Then, finally,they twig.....Ahhhhhh....followed by the same word(s) that you're pretty sure you said correctly in the first place . C'est la vie....It works both ways, when they practise their 'English' on us I think that you should consider yourself jolly lucky to find a French person who wants to practice their English. Especially in conversations on the telephone where it seems that recorded messages, button pushing and waiting seem to be in vogue. One used to find an entirely different class of people in Mayfair.
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Post by houpla on Mar 3, 2023 10:22:46 GMT 1
I wouldn't know, haven't played Monopoly for years I consider myself jolly unlucky to have ended up in an annexe of Dordogneshire but it wasn't my choice. As pcpa has discovered, it's a country within a country round here if you don't choose to or can't speak French. (And in many cases don't even like France, the French, the food or the customs). No problem. Need a Brit dentist, plumber, plasterer or a steady supply of Warburtons and Heinz Baked Beans? The network will see you right.... The backlash is a-coming, though
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