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Post by lapourtaider on Apr 22, 2023 15:38:50 GMT 1
Dependant on the format of your tare plate the 750kg is probably the axle (rated) weight, their most pupular seller is a twin axle trailer with both axles rated at 750kg (2 stampings on the tare plate) and with four 500kg tyres but the PTAC is 499kg and the Pvide only a few kg less than that, I often see them towing 1.5 M3 of that magic weightless sand that the grossistes sell. I have a twin axle trailer. Each axle is rated at 750kg but the PTAC is 500kg. The useful load is actually 220kg, which is fine for me when going to the tip. I knowingly overload it when I collect 2 stere of wood, but I am content that the trailer can handle it no bother. The main reason for having twin axles is that they are so much easier to manoeuvre.
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Post by Aardvark on Apr 22, 2023 17:12:52 GMT 1
Can anyone suggest what to use to replace the floor in a Lider single axle trailer? Mine is rotting from the edges inward. There's not a lot of support under it. Original stuff is some sort of resin impregnated ply. Replacing it with ordinary ply will be a waste of effort. It sits outside in all weathers. I was thinking about using decking but that works out a bit pricey.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 22, 2023 17:53:27 GMT 1
Logistics prevent it but I have 10 sheets of 4mm aluminium chequer plate which I removed from my UK garage floor before it was demolished, one I have already used on one of the Ifor trailers, the other has a 20 year old smooth alu floor still in perfect condition. For my original goods trailer built by me in 1986 having gone through several floors last time I used the plastic composite decking planks from Bricodepot as they were very cheap at the time, they have been excellent and look like they will last for ever, I made slip tenons to go between them to spread the load. One of the French trailer places was selling the resin impregnated stuff like yours had originally, it could have been Maxter accessoires in Montdidier, worth a look anyway, otherwise the same stuff is sold by builders merchants for concrete shuttering where the surface will be visible. www.chausson.fr/materiaux/bois-et-panneau-de-coffrage-panneau-de-contreplaque-filme-en-peuplier-p-147305-1Chausson is cheaper than Castorama, my local grossiste was cheaper still.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 22, 2023 18:00:38 GMT 1
This looks cheaper but the stupid website wont let me see it until I choose a magasin & I dont know what if any Brico-pros are near you. www.bricoman.fr/panneau-contreplaque-filme-ep-15mm-l250xl122cm-677145.htmlA very good price for even cardboard plywood in France unless they are doing the usual and hiding that the price is really per M2, I cant see without selecting a magasin
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Post by pcpa on Apr 22, 2023 18:04:56 GMT 1
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Post by Aardvark on Apr 26, 2023 19:35:55 GMT 1
Thanks for the suggestions and links. Sorry I missed this topic to respond earlier, been battling with the tax declaration and the stress is starting to have an effect.
I just did a quick look. The nearest Bricoman is 162km away, the Mastock is 172km away so the Chausson is the best bet at a mere 42km. So next I will work out the price of doing it in decking vs the 18mm stuff (the only size in stock) from Chausson at €74.29 a sheet.
OK. The price is almost exactly the same as doing it with the composition plastic decking strips available from Brico Depot. I think that is the way I will go.
Thanks for stimulating the few remaining brain cells left accessible.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 26, 2023 21:22:11 GMT 1
You wont regret the plastic decking unless it is now made out of Chinesium, the stuff I bought from Brico-Depot was labelled for B&Q!!!
I'm not convinced the contreplaqué filmé would last, some comments were complaining that one of the Bricos had left the pallet of sheets outside & not under cover and they had all warped & bowed, I'm glad you made the choice you did, the smaller pieces will be easier to work with and transport, make sure you find some way of spreading the load amongst them, I used slip tenons but you may have space to fit battens underneath, the ones of the same material made for decking are a complete rip off.
I have used the offcuts for many an outdoor project like the cribbing spacers for the support legs on my roulottes, a retainer for the trailer plug on the drawbar etc.
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Post by Aardvark on Apr 27, 2023 10:09:26 GMT 1
After looking closely at some of the filmed ply images it appears they are a raw cut without any film coating along the edges. That is the point the water will enter and begin the delamination process. (Just like has happened with the original floor)
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Post by beejay on Apr 27, 2023 11:37:45 GMT 1
After looking closely at some of the filmed ply images it appears they are a raw cut without any film coating along the edges. That is the point the water will enter and begin the delamination process. (Just like has happened with the original floor)
It's how they are described
Panneaux contreplaqués filmés sur les deux faces
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Post by pcpa on Apr 27, 2023 15:25:50 GMT 1
They have always been like that, I pinched some from an Airbus maintenance platform and used it on the converted UK shed/summerhouse to replace plywood infill panels that had warped & split with the sun, it stood up better to the UV but still swole up where water laid beside an edge even though I had protected them.
No such problems with composite decking boards, the jury is still out on how many years it will resist the UV, been 5 years so far.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 27, 2023 15:35:16 GMT 1
My father passed on to me his engineers toolbox which is made from a resinated plywood, still in perfect condition 50 years after I thought he had built it, he worked as a patternmaker and I thought it was a stable ply for the patterns.
Then on reading some 1940's aircraft magasines I came across an advert for a company called Jablo that I knew my father worked for during the war, they were advertising a resin reinforced plywood called Jabloc, Jablite, something like that, it was a structural panel used in airframe, bulkheads etc (would be called SIPP today) and also for making press tools for short runs, prototypes etc.
That is the material the case is made from and I now know he made it far earlier than i thought and used it when he went into engineering.
So my toolcase is 80 years old and not 50, it spent nearly 30 years in my damp garage under the bench against an exposed wall, everything around it was rusted but the resin ply is as solid as the day it was made.
The technology to make a product that lasts has been around for a very long time, even the £10 shuttering ply I used when I first built my trailer outlasted the supposedly weather resistant film faced stuff they fit now.
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Post by Aardvark on Apr 27, 2023 17:06:56 GMT 1
People tell me its progress, or free market system. We pay more and get less now that the accountants are king.
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Post by annabellespapa on Apr 28, 2023 8:33:32 GMT 1
I have had the same problem with my 8ftx4ft (internal) builders trailer, everything so expensive in France, I was in Emmaus (probably spelt wrong) in St Brieuc and I saw sheets of second hand 18mm marine plywood being sold for 10€ a sheet, I returned with my trailer and bought 8 sheets, it was a few years back but I am down to my last sheet, I now have no floor in my trailer but keep a sheet of plywood in the shed for when I need it and just drop it in.
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 28, 2023 8:40:29 GMT 1
I still have and use my trailer that I moved with from Holland 32 years ago , original bottom , maybe because it has been kept dry ?
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Post by mangetout on Apr 28, 2023 13:58:10 GMT 1
My father passed on to me his engineers toolbox which is made from a resinated plywood, still in perfect condition 50 years after I thought he had built it, he worked as a patternmaker and I thought it was a stable ply for the patterns. Then on reading some 1940's aircraft magasines I came across an advert for a company called Jablo that I knew my father worked for during the war, they were advertising a resin reinforced plywood called Jabloc, Jablite, something like that, it was a structural panel used in airframe, bulkheads etc (would be called SIPP today) and also for making press tools for short runs, prototypes etc. That is the material the case is made from and I now know he made it far earlier than i thought and used it when he went into engineering. So my toolcase is 80 years old and not 50, it spent nearly 30 years in my damp garage under the bench against an exposed wall, everything around it was rusted but the resin ply is as solid as the day it was made. The technology to make a product that lasts has been around for a very long time, even the £10 shuttering ply I used when I first built my trailer outlasted the supposedly weather resistant film faced stuff they fit now. 21 years ago our much loved neighbour died of bone cancer. He had no son, so he gave his father's engineers toolbox to my late husband to thank him for the love and care he gave him towards the end of his life. Now it sits in my garage and we have no children to leave it to. It's a work of art, beautifully made with a drop down front which slides under the case. Full of instruments that are a mystery to me. If you are ever passing my way, I live near Saumur in 49, you would be welcome to it. I would hate it to end up in the tip.
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