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Jan 10, 2024 11:26:36 GMT 1
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jan 10, 2024 11:26:36 GMT 1
You can always tell RAF members or ex-members on a commercial flight. They are the ones who look at the safety card and note the emergency exits!
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Jan 10, 2024 11:45:25 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Jan 10, 2024 11:45:25 GMT 1
Some had drysuit’s and some had wetsuit's.
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Jan 10, 2024 12:05:32 GMT 1
Post by cernunnos on Jan 10, 2024 12:05:32 GMT 1
We had to do the "upside down helicopter escape training " every year until there was such a blockage of bookings that they changed it to every 4 years. That was in a heated pool inside , but bad enough!
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Jan 10, 2024 12:53:05 GMT 1
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jan 10, 2024 12:53:05 GMT 1
Oh not denying you don’t know your stuff but I’m a bit wary of people perhaps adopting a fatalistic approach to this sort of topic…in the commercial world you will encounter people who simply don’t bother with listening to the safety brief, looking for their nearest exit etc because “there’s no point bothering with that sort of thing because if we crash we’re screwed anyway”, when we know that’s not true. “ The first offshore survival courses were done in the harbour in Rotterdam, the suits were rejects and all leaked , I know I was there.” Oh dear..that’s not great. FWIW in my accident my colleague’s suit leaked like a sieve but fortunately the rescue helicopter got to him first…I had a slightly longer wait to be hauled out but my suit stayed dry… As a Phantom driver you must have spent many hours on QRA in immersion suits. If I remember right, going for a "comfort break" was a challenge.
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Jan 10, 2024 14:19:13 GMT 1
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Post by robertarthur on Jan 10, 2024 14:19:13 GMT 1
There are so many things that can go wrong, every morning I'm surprised that my laptop awakes once again, zillion lines of code and incredible overpopulated processors and memory chips inside. In the case of Boeing, and aviation in general, I'm glad that I only have to inspect my car. Not relevant here, brand new plane, not respecting maintenance intervals, not following procedures ( the forklift case) or wiring problems. Quality, a shared responsiblity between manufacturers and airlines. But serving two masters at the same time, quality control and the Wall Street Shuffle, that's advanced dancing, slippery dance floor.
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Jan 10, 2024 15:57:37 GMT 1
Post by exile on Jan 10, 2024 15:57:37 GMT 1
The cost of poor quality will be a bit more than the cost of tighten a few bolts and recompense for each plane being on the ground for a couple of days. In that respect it will impact on the Wall Street buyers and sellers.
Something managements in all fields should become aware of.
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Jan 11, 2024 9:55:33 GMT 1
Post by monsieur3seas on Jan 11, 2024 9:55:33 GMT 1
I was not a frequent helicopter flier but had some amusing experiences... 1st flight was in the gulf of mexico where the pilot told us to follow his instructions if we went down. My colleague asked him what to do if he was dead! Another experience was in the N Sea - my 1st time on a big Sikorsky I believe, I followed all the other fliers and threw my bag where the others had. The copter took off and immediately landed again. The pilot took my bag (just a change of clothes in it) and moved it to the other side of the aircraft and took off again - not a feeling of confidence!
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Jan 11, 2024 10:27:49 GMT 1
Post by plog on Jan 11, 2024 10:27:49 GMT 1
Just to drift back maybe one last time to the thrust of the OP:
Whilst the structures people at Airbus might be quietly satisfied it’s way too early for G&Ts all round at Blagnac.
One of the major issues that will have to addressed by the team looking at the Haneda accident is why the A350 pilots flying down the approach didn’t see the coast guard aircraft on the runway.
Now TBF it can be very very hard to see a small aircraft at night if it’s stationary against the background of runway lights but I’d be fairly sure the investigators will be looking at some aspects of the A350 flight deck design to see if that contributed to the accident. The specific factors I’d expect them to look at will be things such as flight deck lighting, conventional displays and probably most especially the design and use of the Heads up Displays…
At this stage we really have no idea what the team will turn up.
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Jan 11, 2024 10:52:34 GMT 1
Post by exile on Jan 11, 2024 10:52:34 GMT 1
Maybe you can answer plog . How often do pilots rely on instructions from the tower, perhaps in contradiction of what they see in front of them? The basis for the question is that I was on a flight in a small plane (8 passengers and full) coming in to land at a UK airport. We and the pilots could clearly see a small to mid-sized jet on the runway preparing it seemed for take off. Nevertheless we continued the descent. The jet was not moving much. We descended. The jet was still there. Then the pilot of our plane suddenly turned away and did a circuit before coming in to land after the jet had left. I have seen passengers on a plane make extremely rapid exits from a plane after it has landed but this was nothing compared to the speed that the co*pilot left our plane and headed in the direction of the tower. I assume words were exchanged.
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Post by plog on Jan 11, 2024 11:02:11 GMT 1
I think it’s a case of “trust to some extent but verify…” and air traffic can’t actually tell you you must land…you always have the option of saying “no thanks.”
I’ve certainly had go-arounds because of traffic ahead being slow to vacate or take off..it’s just one of those things.
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Jan 11, 2024 16:11:52 GMT 1
Post by robertarthur on Jan 11, 2024 16:11:52 GMT 1
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Jan 11, 2024 22:01:19 GMT 1
Post by plog on Jan 11, 2024 22:01:19 GMT 1
Hi robert..interesting video..here's another one and from about 14 min onwards you can maybe see the potential problem I've certainly heard some on HUD equipped types (e.g. 787) sometimes complain about, or at least comment upon...On approach you have symbology superimposed on the touchdown area of the runway which would possibly compromise the ability to spot a not particularly well illuminated obstacle situated in the touchdown zone at night. With regard to the Haneda accident we will have to wait and see if HUDs were used and if so does investigation thinks they might have been a factor. HUD video
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Jan 12, 2024 0:51:05 GMT 1
Post by robertarthur on Jan 12, 2024 0:51:05 GMT 1
Hello Plog, Haneda Airport: a lot of research is going on right now and after the presentation of the final report of such an investigation one is always inclined to say: this accident would not have happened if..... Tokyo Haneda Airport: visiblity of 10 km, not many clouds, no foggy conditions, not a high angle of attack on landing with these planes, enough available downward view to the pilot. What went wrong? Intriguing question.
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Jan 12, 2024 10:16:58 GMT 1
Post by plog on Jan 12, 2024 10:16:58 GMT 1
Hi It’s going to be one of those classic Swiss cheese accidents where all the holes lined up…..From what’s got into the public domain so far it looks like at least three errors aligned: 1. The Coast crew entered the active runway without permission. 2. Air Traffic Control personnel in the tower didn’t spot that the Coast Guard aircraft had entered the runway. 3. The A350 crew didn’t spot the coast guard aircraft until too late. If any one of the above errors had been “trapped” the accident probably would not have happened, but for the accurate and full story we will have to wait and see. The Swiss Cheese Model
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Jan 13, 2024 17:40:36 GMT 1
Post by robertarthur on Jan 13, 2024 17:40:36 GMT 1
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