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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 8:49:27 GMT 1
Is ´taking the knee ´ now past its sell by date ?
The gestures shown by footballers at the recent Euros showed the unity of the footballers against racism, and quite rightly so imo. I just wonder whether the message is being conveyed to the world or has it become outdated ? Is it time for a rethink ?
People who are endemically rascist will still be rascist whatever gestures are used which for me makes the taking of the knee pretty pointless in the same way that black sportspeople who suffer rascist taunts on SM will continue to do so as long as SM allows it to happen.
SM is a powerful media which needs to be controlled, something governments seem powerless to do. Maybe the fear of being branded as gagging free speech is the problem ?
I feel a new kind of movement needs tho be set up which is not linked to the BLM movement which is by its own admission, ‘Marxist’ ? Maybe something more indépendant of BLM would make the cause more acceptable to the people it’s trying to communicate with ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 9:18:09 GMT 1
Good question.
I really dislike it as a gesture, and the phrase "taking the knee" is unpleasantly American to my ear. It feels like gesture politics, and has been used by people on both sides of the debarte to foster disunity.
I'm not anti-American, and I would not want any American people on here to take offence, but it's an import we can do without. (And as for the extreme policies advocated by BLM ...). What works in the US often looks awkward in other countries.
But if the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, then perhaps the price of freedom from racism is repeatedly making the point that racism is unacceptable.
If we could do that in a British way, then that would undermine those who say it's just copying the Americans, and it might also make our racists think. It would be harder to laugh off as gesture politics.
As to what we might do - I have no idea.
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Post by ajm on Jul 13, 2021 9:53:38 GMT 1
How about a new movement - ALM i.e. All Lives Matter!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 10:24:32 GMT 1
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Post by acr on Jul 13, 2021 10:28:55 GMT 1
How about a new movement - ALM i.e. All Lives Matter! Unfortunately, that one has already been adopted by the extreme(?) right/white supremacists in order to rubbish the BLM concept..... at least that's how I understood it when it first appeared.... |
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Post by ajm on Jul 13, 2021 10:48:29 GMT 1
How about a new movement - ALM i.e. All Lives Matter! Unfortunately, that one has already been adopted by the extreme(?) right/white supremacists in order to rubbish the BLM concept..... at least that's how I understood it when it first appeared.... I didn't know that. |
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Post by acr on Jul 13, 2021 10:51:19 GMT 1
Unfortunately, that one has already been adopted by the extreme(?) right/white supremacists in order to rubbish the BLM concept..... at least that's how I understood it when it first appeared.... I didn't know that. I haven't heard it recently but it was all the rage amongst the American extreme right when the BLM protests got going... |
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Post by manonthemoon2 on Jul 13, 2021 11:57:38 GMT 1
How about a new movement - ALM i.e. All Lives Matter! Yes indeed, all lives matter so I wish they would change to this |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 14:43:04 GMT 1
How about a new movement - ALM i.e. All Lives Matter! Yes indeed, all lives matter so I wish they would change to this
I believe the argument is that, by and large, the majority ethnic group doesn't suffer racism, systemic or otherwise, and so the point - that racism is unacceptable - becomes lost.
But I have heard people argue that white people can't suffer racism.
Going back to Treiziste's original question, maybe the problem (for those of us who criticise "taking the knee") is that one size doesn't fit all. I watched an extract from some silly US comedy about race - black child in a white family - and the mindset took me back to the 1970s and Love Thy Neighbour.
The UK definitely has a problem with black people suffering disadvantage, but they're not the only group (white working class boys, for example) and it isn't necessarily the result of the system. What the UK needs to do isn't the same as what the US needs to do.
What about the French approach? Effectively, you're French or you'r not, it has nothing to do with the colour of your skin, and it's unlawful to collect ethnicity statistics.
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 13, 2021 15:01:50 GMT 1
But there is huge discrimination against people of North African origin to the extent that when applying for jobs they use a fake address in case their background might be identified by the postcode.
Do black people suffer disadvantage or is it perceived? In other words, if something happens that does not ‘suit’ someone they automatically assume it is discrimination or racism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 15:32:29 GMT 1
Do black people suffer disadvantage or is it perceived? In other words, if something happens that does not ‘suit’ someone they automatically assume it is discrimination or racism. Oh dear. Proof right there of the mountain to climb to change the subliminal racism of the entitled majority. |
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 13, 2021 15:42:57 GMT 1
It was question!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 17:05:36 GMT 1
It's a question that hints at the dismissive attitude that many have towards racism. I apologise if you already know the answer but despair if you don't. |
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 13, 2021 17:27:03 GMT 1
I know what the answer is supposed to be but have doubts as to its validity in its purest form. In other words, there are many shades of grey too.
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Post by sidandus on Jul 13, 2021 17:56:50 GMT 1
I’m not trivialising the discussion, but as an aside I find it upsetting that black cats and dogs are difficult to home/rehome and are often sold at a cheaper price than the rest of their litter because of their colour. In the not too distant past black pugs were drowned at birth. It’s bizarre that the colour black should be viewed so negatively by some. Anyway, back to the discussion.
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