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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 18:41:42 GMT 1
Although - certainly as regards cats - that's more to do with superstition, I believe.
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 13, 2021 18:44:00 GMT 1
No evidence that it has anything to do with race, but with ancient beliefs and fears of darkness.
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Post by tim17 on Jul 13, 2021 18:51:02 GMT 1
I think it's unfortunate that there are several interpretations for the words/phrase 'Black Lives Matter'. When an organisation using that phrase states as a major aim 'to eradicate white supremacy' it's easy to see why people turn against or dismiss what in reality is a simple rallying cry to effect real change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 13:45:07 GMT 1
I’ve read this thread with mouth agape. A bunch of white people who think they know best on anti-racism slogans and gestures and their appropriateness of use. It’s similar thing with men thinking they know best and making decisions on women’s equality issues.
It’s something you have no experience of so by all means have an opinion but you are in no way qualified to hold court about any of these issues. Some of you don’t even understand how and why ‘black lives matter’ got it’s name. Anybody who still trots out the ‘all lives matter’ trope has just missed the point. As for racism being used as an excuse for failure. Eh? Just goes to show how relevant this issue still is and what a long way there still is to go....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 14:20:39 GMT 1
I’ve read this thread with mouth agape. A bunch of white people who think they know best on anti-racism slogans and gestures and their appropriateness of use. It’s similar thing with men thinking they know best and making decisions on women’s equality issues. It’s something you have no experience of so by all means have an opinion but you are in no way qualified to hold court about any of these issues. Some of you don’t even understand how and why ‘black lives matter’ got it’s name. Anybody who still trots out the ‘all lives matter’ trope has just missed the point. As for racism being used as an excuse for failure. Eh? Just goes to show how relevant this issue still is and what a long way there still is to go.... With respect J, the questions i’m asking are : a) Is the taking of the knee actually still getting a message across ? Is it time for a rethink ? b) Are the links to BLM actually harming the efficacy of the fight against racism ? I’m asking as an ordinary white guy, with black (step) relations trying to find new ideas.
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Post by tim17 on Jul 14, 2021 14:34:25 GMT 1
I’ve read this thread with mouth agape. A bunch of white people who think they know best on anti-racism slogans and gestures and their appropriateness of use. It’s similar thing with men thinking they know best and making decisions on women’s equality issues. It’s something you have no experience of so by all means have an opinion but you are in no way qualified to hold court about any of these issues. Some of you don’t even understand how and why ‘black lives matter’ got it’s name. Anybody who still trots out the ‘all lives matter’ trope has just missed the point. As for racism being used as an excuse for failure. Eh? Just goes to show how relevant this issue still is and what a long way there still is to go.... I think that's a bit harsh, as racism takes many forms. I've been racially abused many times here in a sports setting simply because I'm English/British. Whilst I agree most white people may not ever experience racism they are part of the solution so surely they have to be included in the discussion?
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Post by captainmorgan on Jul 14, 2021 15:04:43 GMT 1
I’ve read this thread with mouth agape. A bunch of white people who think they know best on anti-racism slogans and gestures and their appropriateness of use. It’s similar thing with men thinking they know best and making decisions on women’s equality issues. It’s something you have no experience of so by all means have an opinion but you are in no way qualified to hold court about any of these issues. Some of you don’t even understand how and why ‘black lives matter’ got it’s name. Anybody who still trots out the ‘all lives matter’ trope has just missed the point. As for racism being used as an excuse for failure. Eh? Just goes to show how relevant this issue still is and what a long way there still is to go.... Thanks Jackie, I was about to give up on this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 15:29:25 GMT 1
I’ve read this thread with mouth agape. A bunch of white people who think they know best on anti-racism slogans and gestures and their appropriateness of use. It’s similar thing with men thinking they know best and making decisions on women’s equality issues. It’s something you have no experience of so by all means have an opinion but you are in no way qualified to hold court about any of these issues. Some of you don’t even understand how and why ‘black lives matter’ got it’s name. Anybody who still trots out the ‘all lives matter’ trope has just missed the point. As for racism being used as an excuse for failure. Eh? Just goes to show how relevant this issue still is and what a long way there still is to go.... With respect J, the questions i’m asking are : a) Is the taking of the knee actually still getting a message across ? Is it time for a rethink ? b) Are the links to BLM actually harming the efficacy of the fight against racism ? I’m asking as an ordinary white guy, with black (step) relations trying to find new ideas. But surely any anti racist movement is going to be unpopular with certain people and institutions who will look for ways to destroy it’s reputation especially as it becomes more powerful which is what I think has happened to the BLM movement. You say there are links to Marxism. I don’t think that’s a bad thing but lots of people who don’t really understand it think it is but there you go. Taking the knee has become an internationally recognised symbol. Wouldn’t getting rid of it be letting the racists win in a way?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 15:41:16 GMT 1
I’ve read this thread with mouth agape. A bunch of white people who think they know best on anti-racism slogans and gestures and their appropriateness of use. It’s similar thing with men thinking they know best and making decisions on women’s equality issues. It’s something you have no experience of so by all means have an opinion but you are in no way qualified to hold court about any of these issues. Some of you don’t even understand how and why ‘black lives matter’ got it’s name. Anybody who still trots out the ‘all lives matter’ trope has just missed the point. As for racism being used as an excuse for failure. Eh? Just goes to show how relevant this issue still is and what a long way there still is to go.... I think that's a bit harsh, as racism takes many forms. I've been racially abused many times here in a sports setting simply because I'm English/British. Whilst I agree most white people may not ever experience racism they are part of the solution so surely they have to be included in the discussion? By all means be included but with the awareness that they have no real authority or experience of the issue which was the point I was trying to make. Their opinion carries no real weight and unless they don’t even realise they are part of the problem how will they ever help find a solution?
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Post by FFS on Jul 14, 2021 16:15:05 GMT 1
Surely any fair-minded person who doesn't suffer from racism but knows it's something to be contested has the right to discuss it and wonder how other, perhaps better, solutions can be found?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 17:03:43 GMT 1
Surely any fair-minded person who doesn't suffer from racism but knows it's something to be contested has the right to discuss it and wonder how other, perhaps better, solutions can be found? How is that different to what I said?
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 14, 2021 17:11:35 GMT 1
jackie, you are proposing that only a small number can define and discuss racism. We have already seen how an anti-racist movement, that is BLM can be taken over by other interests who piggyback off it to sell their own message. Unless the whole community is involved in discussing racism it cannot be eliminated. As the Eurofoot final showed there is a very long way to go and current approaches are not working.
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Post by FFS on Jul 14, 2021 17:14:16 GMT 1
Surely any fair-minded person who doesn't suffer from racism but knows it's something to be contested has the right to discuss it and wonder how other, perhaps better, solutions can be found? How is that different to what I said? If you think it's the same as what you said, all's well and good, but I had the impression that you thought that those on here who were even discussing it had no right to do so because they don't suffer from the effects of racism.
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Post by tim17 on Jul 14, 2021 17:22:35 GMT 1
I've always thought that the only way to overcome/end prejudice of all kinds is through education. If people clearly understood that 'taking the knee' was not about BLM the movement and just a way of showing support/solidarity against racism in general then we wouldn't be having this discussion, I'm appalled at the likes of Priti Patel for failing to understand this and worse trying to make political capital out of it given her family background and the racial abuse she claims to have received in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 17:29:15 GMT 1
I honestly had no idea what rascism was all about until I spent quite a lot of time in South Africa in the 1970s. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing as apartheid ruled,ok. There are currently three black friends of Malian descent (relatives of my partner) from Compiegne staying at our house for a couple of weeks. Some of the stories they come out with aren’t nice though I get the impression many others have big problems coping. Now, none of that qualifies me as an expert but I surely have the right to give an opinion and make suggestions ?
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