Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Nov 20, 2021 16:33:35 GMT 1
Mysty and Co. are managing to earn a crust through guts, hard work, and good judgement. I wouldn't want to tempt them into something so likely to go tits up as this one.
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Post by woolybanana on Nov 20, 2021 17:17:03 GMT 1
âCrustâ!đ
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 17:46:41 GMT 1
Mysty and Co. are managing to earn a crust through guts, hard work, and good judgement. I wouldn't want to tempt them into something so likely to go tits up as this one. You have a pm.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 20, 2021 19:38:02 GMT 1
A 6 hour drive to the main city, boy that is really France profonde
Your partner has the same problem as I did with degrévements, having been granted one does not (in their eyes) give you the right to another with circumstances unchanged, you have to fight every year and in my experience they are granted to get rid of you and make it someone elses problem the next year.
What adresse is your partner using for her déclaration d'impÎts? That will be deemed to be her résidence principale and there is not an exonération for résidence secondaires, you are correct that anyone with a moderately low revenue fiscale de référence is already exempt from TdH on their résidence principale.
Your partners situation regarding the step-children is exactly the same as the widow who is 50% owner of the house I am buying except it is her own children who were angered by her moving in with her new boyfriend & then subsequently falling out amongst themselves, one had been squatting in the place for 10 years & it is in a despicable condition.
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Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Nov 21, 2021 10:59:46 GMT 1
The six hour journey was mentioned relevant to your suggestion to "go and explain the situation with them in person".
Somewhere above, or maybe even on another forum, someone said they are not paying Tax Hab on some rental property, exempt because it has been unoccupied. There was a link posted but I couldn't make head nor tails of it myself.
When she moved out of the place she notified all the usual organisations of her change of address so everything, bills, taxation, banking, car registration, license, insurances, etc. all come here. I ripped the door off the letterbox there just so the postie would get the message and not pile up the promo's until they present a fire hazard.
It sounds like you have had quite a battle yourself, and that leaves little hope for those without your knowledge of the language.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 21, 2021 12:06:23 GMT 1
There is always hope Aardvark, I won the battle each year sometimes having to return to find someone more sympathetic or truth be known more impatient to get rid of me, I would go just before lunch, but winning the war took a lot longer. I understood that your journey related to going to the HÎtel des ImpÎts and thought you meant a 6 hour round trip but on reading back you said "6 hour drive each way" given that many remote services like the sous préfecture etc are being closed you must be faced with that journey to the chef lieu for many other centre administratives. Going to them is the only reason that I ever visit a city, I could not face a 3 hour let alone a 6 hour journey but even now would do so rather than trying to convince someone by phone or E-mail.
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Post by Debra on Nov 21, 2021 17:55:42 GMT 1
In the Charente I need an attestation from the maire that the house is unfurnished and uninhabited on 1st January each year to get the tax d'habitation bill cancelled. It doesn't have to be uninhabitable.
In Normandy I just had to fill out a form to say it was unfurnished at that time and was currently furnished, so I got the first bill cancelled and one was issued the following year.
'Uninhabitable' can get you a discount on or cancellation of your tax foncieres bill but the only time I tried that, with a house that had no kitchen and bathroom and the water and electricity were off, was in the Dordogne, where I was told that because I could put a kitchen and bathroom in and have the water and electricity turned on, because they were available to the house, it wasn't classed as uninhabitable. They did cancel the tax d'habitation though - just not the tax foncieres. Apparently if my income had been less than half of the tax foncieres bill they would have cancelled it.
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Post by Debra on Nov 21, 2021 18:10:52 GMT 1
What adresse is your partner using for her déclaration d'impÎts? That will be deemed to be her résidence principale and there is not an exonération for résidence secondaires, you are correct that anyone with a moderately low revenue fiscale de référence is already exempt from TdH on their résidence principale.
There is if it's uninhabited and unfurnished. I've had no tax d'habitation on an empty house in the Charente for several years now. It used to be my principal home and then I bought another and emptied that one and got an attestation from the maire to say it was empty on 1st Jan. The impots want this attestation every year.
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Post by Debra on Nov 21, 2021 18:18:31 GMT 1
Aardvark I've never had to visit the impots about my empty house in the Charente. If they bill me (they don't always) I just message them on the secure messaging system, referencing that bill and asking for it to be cancelled, attaching a copy of the attestation from the maire. It does have to be empty of furniture though - not even a table. Once I send that I get a Avis dégrÚvement de taxe d'habitation back in the documents section of my online account.
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Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Nov 21, 2021 21:35:05 GMT 1
Aardvark I've never had to visit the impots about my empty house in the Charente. If they bill me (they don't always) I just message them on the secure messaging system, referencing that bill and asking for it to be cancelled, attaching a copy of the attestation from the maire. It does have to be empty of furniture though - not even a table. Once I send that I get a Avis dégrÚvement de taxe d'habitation back in the documents section of my online account. The idea of appearing there in person was suggested by someone earlier in this thread. To repeat what I have already state more than once..........We have been messaging the tax office and the mairie and getting nowhere with our claim. Even though she has never had to pay the tax hab in the past. They have stone walled us over this issue. Thanks for all the input folks but this is all getting too stressful to carry on with.
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Post by ibis on Nov 21, 2021 22:18:23 GMT 1
Thanks for all the input folks but this is all getting too stressful to carry on with. I read the above and sorry it is getting to stressful but I think I have a way out.
Just do not pay it. They will send some letters and then the debt collectors will send some letters and then they will take the house to pay off the debt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 22:57:52 GMT 1
Thanks for all the input folks but this is all getting too stressful to carry on with. I read the above and sorry it is getting to stressful but I think I have a way out.
Just do not pay it. They will send some letters and then the debt collectors will send some letters and then they will take the house to pay off the debt.
Have you tried that before? If you do not pay the tax the tax office can take it out of your French bank account with penalties plus the bank will take an extra 90 plus for the payment.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 22, 2021 1:36:36 GMT 1
Thanks for all the input folks but this is all getting too stressful to carry on with. I read the above and sorry it is getting to stressful but I think I have a way out.
Just do not pay it. They will send some letters and then the debt collectors will send some letters and then they will take the house to pay off the debt.
That is correct but there are a few important details that make it a non runner in this case, it can take decades to pass to the legal seizure, my property was 22 years, another in the region owned by an English woman who could not be traced (probably long dead) took 35 years, during this time hypothéques keep building up for the unpaid debts often far exceeding the property value and the balance is still owed by the property owner or their heirs.
It works (eventually) if the owner cannot be traced or if it is obvious that they will never have any money to discharge the debt, life imprisonment, coma, mental or physical incapacity and no funds or assets, unless the Mairie take action to claim the property I'm not sure what triggers the legal action, I suspect if they believe the owner or their family/heritees have funds then it drags on indeterminably.
Aardvark, I can see that you both are being stressed by this, the only advice I can give you is to stop asking yourself or les impÎts why they are charging you this year, in their view you have been liable and charged every year but have recieved dégrÚvements, these are one off decisions and don't confer a future right, instead simply give them what they will act on be it an attestation from the Mairie (now you know specifically what to ask for it will be a simple yes or no from them) or create your own one sur honneur preferably with some photographic or physical evidence. I took photographs showing that the staircase had been removed, explained that the only way to access the upper floors was by an electric winch and a bosuns chair, had a picture of me going up that way and I took the bosuns chair in with me.
Whatever works you will need to do every year proactively in January to avoid a bill later in the year.
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