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Post by Loiseau on Mar 18, 2022 15:23:54 GMT 1
pcpa Avatar Mar 18, 2022 13:46:59 GMT pcpa said"
...I saw on the news today that one in twenty people in the UK currently have Covid, ...
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Including me! I tested yesterday morning before a long-planned trip to see vulnerable friends - and there was that dreaded red line. And I was just thinking had a bit of a cold...
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Post by landmannnn on Mar 18, 2022 15:37:34 GMT 1
There's little point in trying to convince the anti-vaccers that they are wrong. These people love Farage, Trump, Putin, The Sun newspaper, Brexit, Johnson and have no consideration for anyone else on the planet. Why try to convince anybody that they are wrong?
Why not respect someones choice to be vaccinated or not be vaccinated?
Why not respect someones choice to wear a mask or not now that there are no restrictions?
Why not respect someones choice to stay away from crowded public areas because they feel uncomfortable?
None of these things are deserved of being labelled an anti-vaccer or the other insults that follow.
This subject has inflamed some festering wounds, many parallels with Brexit, intolerance, division and a refusal to accept the direction in which their world is evolving.
It will not be in the direction that everyone would prefer but moving forward it is.
Whilst I support your right to have such opinions, sometime who puts other's life in danger as a result of reading misinformation on the internet is hardly worthy of respect. The world is indeed evolving. Putin slaughtering Ukrainians is indeed an example of this. Should we accept that too?
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Post by pcpa on Mar 18, 2022 17:33:58 GMT 1
Whataboutery.
What misinformation/opinions have I expressed other than distaste for the tone of several postings and rebutting that I am an anti-vaxxer or was talking of herd immunity?
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Post by pcpa on Mar 18, 2022 17:38:42 GMT 1
pcpa Avatar Mar 18, 2022 13:46:59 GMT pcpa said" ...I saw on the news today that one in twenty people in the UK currently have Covid, ... ————————- Including me! I tested yesterday morning before a long-planned trip to see vulnerable friends - and there was that dreaded red line. And I was just thinking had a bit of a cold... lucky you still had a PCR test to use, soon the only ones available will be the ones people stockpiled and are selling on E-bay!
My UK neighbour's Aunt is 95 with the usual age related health problems, she contracted Covid at Xmas lunch, she only knew because one of the younger people went down with it so she tested, she had a couple of sniffles and no more and would not have known about it at all.
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Post by gigi on Mar 18, 2022 19:28:52 GMT 1
pcpa Avatar Mar 18, 2022 13:46:59 GMT pcpa said" ...I saw on the news today that one in twenty people in the UK currently have Covid, ... ————————- Including me! I tested yesterday morning before a long-planned trip to see vulnerable friends - and there was that dreaded red line. And I was just thinking had a bit of a cold... Bad luck- hope it’s a mild infection.
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Post by exile on Mar 18, 2022 20:26:49 GMT 1
pcpa Avatar Mar 18, 2022 13:46:59 GMT pcpa said" ...I saw on the news today that one in twenty people in the UK currently have Covid, ... ————————- Including me! I tested yesterday morning before a long-planned trip to see vulnerable friends - and there was that dreaded red line. And I was just thinking had a bit of a cold... lucky you still had a PCR test to use, soon the only ones available will be the ones people stockpiled and are selling on E-bay!
My UK neighbour's Aunt is 95 with the usual age related health problems, she contracted Covid at Xmas lunch, she only knew because one of the younger people went down with it so she tested, she had a couple of sniffles and no more and would not have known about it at all.
The problems with anecdotal examples such as that is that they do not necessarily represent the real picture. I could for example regale you of the fitter walking through an Ethylene Oxide (extremely unstable chemical) who saw a flash and fell to the ground. He walked away while everything in a 250m radius was flattened including sadly some of his colleagues. This does not mean that being a fitter is somehow a talisman. So one old lady survives with minimal impact (possibly as a result of vaccination) but (and I am sorry to be a bore) 40,000 people are dying at the current rates every year. That is not one statistical anomaly. That is not one example (perhaps) of the value of a vaccination. That is accumulated data that shows that this virus is not yet ready to be dismissed as something that has passed by or passed on (as in died).
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Post by Loiseau on Mar 18, 2022 20:45:21 GMT 1
pcpa said: lucky you still had a PCR test to use, soon the only ones available will be the ones people stockpiled and are selling on E-bay! -----------
Indeed. I had tested on Monday when I felt a cough starting, and was negative then; lucky I tested again on Thursday, as my cold symptoms were on the wane, and I would have been pretty confident that all was well. I do still have one box of the free lateral-flow tests in reserve, but I have ordered three packs online from Boots in case I need more. They seemed the least rip-off in price. (Makes you realise how much the UK government must have been lashing out to give us the free ones!)
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Post by pcpa on Mar 18, 2022 21:04:07 GMT 1
That is accumulated data that shows that this virus is not yet ready to be dismissed as something that has passed by or passed on (as in died). Nobody has.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 18, 2022 21:05:36 GMT 1
In the above tests do you really mean PCR? I think you probably mean LFT.
Understandably people concentrate on the mortality rates for Covid. I'd like to put in a plea also for those whose health is impaired through "long Covid". I've seen estimates that up to 1.5 million ( that's not a misprint) suffer symptoms affecting their daily lives for 28 days or more after diagnosis. Some, 2 years on, are still unable to work or even look after themselves.
The cost to the health service is not inconsiderable, the greater economy suffers but, most importantly 1.5 (or so) million people are blighted by long term health effects.
Incidentally, fully vaccinated people who are infected asymptomatically or with only minor symptoms can still develop long Covid although the severity and extent are much reduced compared to the non-vaccinated.
The point is that the fully vaccinated are not bullet-proof even if they have reduced the risk and severity by orders of magnitude.
Be careful out there.
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Post by Loiseau on Mar 18, 2022 21:18:50 GMT 1
ForumUser2 wrote: In the above tests do you really mean PCR? I think you probably mean LFT....
Of course mine all were LFT, but I just didn't pick pcpa up on it!
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Post by jackie on Mar 18, 2022 22:03:22 GMT 1
Please could someone do something about the trolls on this forum
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Post by gigi on Mar 18, 2022 23:04:51 GMT 1
There's a lot of sheer unpleasantness on this interesting thread which is very off-putting for members; I really hope that people casually looking at the forum with a thought of joining aren’t put off.
Please reconsider if you’re about to be offensive.
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Post by exile on Mar 18, 2022 23:53:48 GMT 1
That is accumulated data that shows that this virus is not yet ready to be dismissed as something that has passed by or passed on (as in died). Nobody has. Really? Again not in as many words but think on; the let's just get on with things with no restrictions because it is an individuals' choice does actually lead to the average man on the street thinking/perceiving/being led to believe that indeed the whole thing is over. I like to think that most of us here are above such ideas but believe me that there are many out there that think that it is all behind them because the government have eliminated all restrictions. It is akin to many Russians believing that Russia is not attacking civilians and that Ukrainians are all Nazis fit only to be put down. To your 5 or 6 questions that you posed earlier, I do believe that individuals have a right to decide but that decision comes with responsibilities and consequences - and those consequences should not include going around and endangering others because it is "Their freedom" to do so. Not wearing a mask in the midst of a pandemic does endanger me and others. Not being vaccinated and then mixing in confined spaces with others does endanger those others. Ask yourself, if instead of masks and vaccine certificates we were talking about carrying rifles in crowded spaces and not having a gun licence to carry such weapon, loaded in a crowded space, would your opinion be quite the same?
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Post by pcpa on Mar 19, 2022 7:59:52 GMT 1
That posting is not worthy of you or a response.
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Post by tim17 on Mar 19, 2022 8:23:32 GMT 1
There's a lot of sheer unpleasantness on this interesting thread which is very off-putting for members; I really hope that people casually looking at the forum with a thought of joining aren’t put off. Please reconsider if you’re about to be offensive. This is the norm for all forms of social media, the internet offers a platform for anyone to show their worst side safe in the knowledge that for the most part you can get away with saying whatever you want.
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